Argus Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 Exactly. It's one giant politically correct echo chamber. Where conservatives speakers are forbidden from speaking. Yes, and it's the same for the media elites. They make mouth noises to each other, read each others columns, and have very little exposure to ordinary Canadians, who they appear to find rather grubby and unsophisticated, at least compared to their learned selves. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
angrypenguin Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 And just how many academics have you ever encountered? My father in law is an academic who votes Conservative. The stories I've heard from him about his colleagues does not surprise me most are left leaning. (if not all). And they certainly did not run a business for 20 odd years before becoming a tenured prof. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
ToadBrother Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 Yes, and it's the same for the media elites. They make mouth noises to each other, read each others columns, and have very little exposure to ordinary Canadians, who they appear to find rather grubby and unsophisticated, at least compared to their learned selves. If they're encounters with Canadians was limited to the anti-academic types who attack them at every turn, it's no wonder. My experience with academics is that while the majority I've seen are left of centre there is a lot of variation, with the folks in the more stringent disciplines like the sciences not caring about politics much at all. You may think you're rather clever Argus, but when you can reconstruct Proto-Germanic or calculate inflationary nucleosynthesis then I'll be impressed. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 11, 2015 Author Report Posted October 11, 2015 Another fine commentary from a patriot and a "real" conservative about the odious man who is unfortunately PM. It's so well written and poignant, I'd like to use it all. But I'll choose the segment on race baiting: His position on ethnic issues during this campaign amounts to nothing less than fear-mongering and divisive politics at its worst. His proposed hotline to report “barbaric cultural practices” is a glaring example of his politics of fear and division. and leadership. Leaders should inspire. Leaders should unite. Leaders should make tough decisions for the right reasons; not any decision that buys a vote. Leaders should build bridges and create hope and optimism. Leaders should be trustworthy. They should be there for all segments of society — for veterans, for farmers, for immigrants, for our children, and for Aboriginal Peoples. In a week, let's choose better for next time. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted October 12, 2015 Report Posted October 12, 2015 Another fine commentary from a patriot Oh yeah, he's a real Canada lover. That's why he used the flag as a bargaining chip. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 12, 2015 Author Report Posted October 12, 2015 Even in the worst days of Brian Mulroney (and he was pretty unpopular), I don't recall the type of outpouring against a leader in Canada. The outrage against Chretien was that of people against a common thief. This is different. There is a very visceral outrage against this foul man. Check out this poem set to video. He nails Harper. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Argus Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Even in the worst days of Brian Mulroney (and he was pretty unpopular), I don't recall the type of outpouring against a leader in Canada. The outrage against Chretien was that of people against a common thief. This is different. There is a very visceral outrage against this foul man. Mulroney wasn't conservative, so he didn't rouse the 'visceral outrage' of the Left by trying to reign in the taxpayer money which flows to them. Because most of the fury coming from the Left is based on that, and nothing else. They hate him because he's been cutting back on the tax dollars that fatten their over-sized bellies. The Left generally is made up of those who can't survive without government money, and Harper is threatening their sense of entitlement. Edited October 13, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Even in the worst days of Brian Mulroney (and he was pretty unpopular), I don't recall the type of outpouring against a leader in Canada. The outrage against Chretien was that of people against a common thief. This is different. There is a very visceral outrage against this foul man. Check out this poem set to video. He nails Harper. Oh, the anger against Mulroney was palpable in his final days. He was, at the time, the most unpopular leader in the Western world. And as bad as you think Harper may be, Mulroney had not one but two failed attempts at constitutional reform under his belt. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Oh, the anger against Mulroney was palpable in his final days. He was, at the time, the most unpopular leader in the Western world. And as bad as you think Harper may be, Mulroney had not one but two failed attempts at constitutional reform under his belt. Bad as Mulroney was (and he was pretty bad), at least his attempts at constitutional reform were well-meaning. You can't say that about cheating on elections or manipulating the senate. Or race baiting politics. Edited October 13, 2015 by ReeferMadness Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Pretty much every leader is well meaning. It's only your bias that causes you to see them as otherwise. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Posted October 13, 2015 Pretty much every leader is well meaning. It's only your bias that causes you to see them as otherwise. So when the Conservatives cheated on elections and redirected voters to the wrong poll, they meant well? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 So when the Conservatives cheated on elections and redirected voters to the wrong poll, they meant well? Some people in the party did that. Certainly not Harper. Harper does the things he does because in his mind they are the best things or the means to get to the best things. You disagree. That's fine, but he's not some kind of evil. Quote
dialamah Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Mulroney wasn't conservative, so he didn't rouse the 'visceral outrage' of the Left by trying to reign in the taxpayer money which flows to them. Because most of the fury coming from the Left is based on that, and nothing else. They hate him because he's been cutting back on the tax dollars that fatten their over-sized bellies. The Left generally is made up of those who can't survive without government money, and Harper is threatening their sense of entitlement. And yet, the "Left" seems to have done all right over the past 10 years ... I mean, it's not like they've all died out, left the country or become unemployed, given that the "Left" appears to be about 70% of the country. Maybe there's something else going on? Whether it's because its simply that Harper has overstayed his welcome, or for more ideological reasons, it seems that most people just don't want Harper and the Conservatives any longer. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Some people in the party did that. Certainly not Harper. Harper does the things he does because in his mind they are the best things or the means to get to the best things. You disagree. That's fine, but he's not some kind of evil. So you excuse him from robocalls, for instance? Quote
Smallc Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 So you excuse him from robocalls, for instance? I never suspected that he had anything to do with that. I also didn't suspect Martin in the Sponsorship Scandal so take that for what it is. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 I never suspected that he had anything to do with that. I also didn't suspect Martin in the Sponsorship Scandal so take that for what it is. I doubt like hell the dufus/fall guy from Guelph had access to the CIMS all by himself. And btw, the sponsorship thingy was on Chretien's watch. Quote
waldo Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Check out this poem set to video. He nails Harper. power to the spoken word! . Quote
Smallc Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 I doubt like hell the dufus/fall guy from Guelph had access to the CIMS all by himself. And btw, the sponsorship thingy was on Chretien's watch. Sure, while Martin was Minister of Finance. I doubt Harper actually worries himself with such a small matter as the database. People in the party that deal with that kind of thing were involved. It doesn't seem like Harper. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Sure, while Martin was Minister of Finance. I doubt Harper actually worries himself with such a small matter as the database. People in the party that deal with that kind of thing were involved. It doesn't seem like Harper. It does to me. Clinging to power is all that matters regardless of ethics. Surely you aren't gullible enough to think Mike Sona carried out the scam all by himself? Quote
Smallc Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 It does to me. Clinging to power is all that matters regardless of ethics. Surely you aren't gullible enough to think Mike Sona carried out the scam all by himself? I don't think that Harper would trouble himself with such matters. I think a few people in the party thought it was great idea (thought judging by it's relative small impact, not people very high up). Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 ReeferMadness is calling out the prime minister. 'Nuff said. /thread Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
waldo Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 noob calling out established member. 'Nuff said ... thread remains open for business! Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Posted October 13, 2015 I never suspected that he had anything to do with that. Just like Duffygate. He's a micro-manager right up to the point where it's time to find someone to take the fall. Then he's completely oblivious. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Just like Duffygate. I didn't think he knew about it at first, but I'm positive that he did. It doesn't make me care any more about that particular issue. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Just like Duffygate. He's a micro-manager right up to the point where it's time to find someone to take the fall. Then he's completely oblivious. On that note here is a scenario I find interesting. Let's say that Harper somehow does win a plurality. And then after the parties are over, the next thing confronting the new PM, when the trial resumes in November, is both Nigel Wright and Duffy taking the stand and outing the corruption within the PMO that led to the whole business. Talk about wheels coming off the bus! Quote
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