Liberalhippy Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) A lot of people will toss around witty comments and pictures about how you shouldn't vote for this guy instead of posting why we should vote for that guy. I too am guilty of posting these thing but lets take a step back and dissect this for a minute. 99% of what you see being posted is people slamming another political party. Straight... up... slander. No deeper sense of meaning. No sense of greater good out of the discussions that come out of that. Just straight... up... slander.... We all feel passionate about our future. We all want to ensure that we will survive for as long as we can. It's human nature but you know what we can't survive? The onslaught of negative images, bigotry and hate. Hate for a misunderstood nation or religious practice. We fear what we don't understand. We fear what we do not know and so we allow this fear to manifest itself in hasty uninformed decisions and all of the potential consequences behind those decisions. You will see some of the people voting the Conservative party throw around words like "libtard". That word in and of itself just bleeds of ignorance. "Libtard" come on is that the best you can come up with in support for your party? Libtard? You try and get to the bare bones of some of these people and it's rooted in fear and ignorance. It hasn't been easy coming up with the one on party that I believe will best define my future but I can assure you it is an educated decision. 1. Despite his assistance in passing bill C-51 Trudeau has pledged to revamp the controversial parts of bill c-51. We should take our security seriously but we should also take our freedoms seriously as well. Bill c-51 was a hasty decision based in fear and a call to action. Do we really feel anymore secure with bill c-51? We are talking about a women's choice to wear a niqab at a civil ceremony. If bill c-51 does what it's supposed to, shouldn't we be able to trust any citizen that we allow into our borders and wish ill-will on us? How much does this project cost and why isn't it doing what you said it would do? Isn't it supposed to make us fear our neighbor less, not more? 2. If you have ever taken advantage of a low mortgage or filled up and the pumps because you knew the prices were going to sky rocket? Well this logic is no different than what the liberal party has promised to do for us. There is again a lot of fear behind the debates on this issue. Taking out a loan and a deficit in the low tide of a global economic market is one of the smartest things you can do. This is how you as an individual build equity. What equity do we have today from 8 years ago? Were we in a better position then as we are now? We are sitting on top of a multi-billion dollar oil industry and yet our current government made us no better for the wear by keeping us reliant on a single source of income. If you are in the job market and you only have one skill and that skill gets flooded you will have a problem finding a job. So why are we not investing into what the world wants on a global scale? Renewable resources. 3. Despite your support for or against the legalization of marijuana it has some numbers that you cannot ignore and numbers that add an entirely new set of revue for Canada. The state of Washington has sold $250 million in marijuana in the past year — roughly $62 million of which constitute marijuana excise taxes. Marijuana is not the gateway drug you have been told it is. Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why it's called a gateway drug? Let me spell it out for you. It's a gateway drug because of the prohibition of it. People are forced to deal with individuals that are involved in organized crime and will likely sell other drugs. Thus causing you to increase your chances of exposure to harder\tainted drugs. 4. The fair elections act - If you don't know what that is I suggest googling it. With the fair elections act it basically won't allow elections Canada to advertise that an election is going on. You might ask yourself? Well why should we spend money on getting people to vote. They should know that the vote is coming up and just want to vote anyways? Well I can't stress the importance of voting enough. It's the little bit of perceived control we have on this mad planet and we have to keep it. Most people are going to be fed biased fearful opinions about one party or another party, but the fact of the matter is that we need to stress the importance of a vote from an unbiased source. Plan and simple. Trudeau is against the fair elections act, AKA Bill C-23. This is just one of the many reasons why bill c-23 is not right for Canadians. 5. Harper has muzzled our statistics and research into the oils sands and environmental impacts. If you haven't heard the story about Harperman and one Tony turner then I again suggest you spend some time looking into it. This individual, an environmental scientist is being investigated and was sent home from his job because he wrong an anti-tory song. I've provided the link if you wish to take a look. This is one of just many of our muzzled scientists that want to speak out but can't do the Harpers new public servant opinions on elections rule that was sent to all our public servants. The liberals have promised to bring back the voice of the scientists and research. And finally I am open to discussing any of my opinions and or comments. Happy voting. Edited October 7, 2015 by Liberalhippy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Most of the reasons given are superficial and unimportant, or simply silly. Fears over C-51 are paranoid nonsense. Marijuana, statistics and niqabs? These are reasons to vote for someone? I vote for someone who I hope will manage the economy properly so people can have jobs and pay the rent and heat. Your suggestion that running years of deficits is the same thing as filling up your car ahead of an expected price increase misses the fact you HAVE to fill up your car. Nothing Trudeau is spending money on has to be done. For example an extra $380 million in arts funding? Really!? Seriously!? Furthermore, the tens of billions he will borrow will not be paid off month by month. It will take DECADES to pay it off, decades in which interest rates will most assuredly rise much higher than they are now, where we're already paying $40 billion per year in interest on that 'credit card' of yours. Your statement that the government 'kept us reliant on a single source of income' is an old leftist canard with no resemblance to reality. The oil and gas industry is something like 5% of the economy, no more. That's why prices plummeting has not unduly impacted those outside the oil industry. Edited October 7, 2015 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberalhippy Posted October 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Most of the reasons given are superficial and unimportant, or simply silly. Fears over C-51 are paranoid nonsense. Marijuana, statistics and niqabs? These are reasons to vote for someone? I vote for someone who I hope will manage the economy properly so people can have jobs and pay the rent and heat. Your suggestion that running years of deficits is the same thing as filling up your car ahead of an expected price increase misses the fact you HAVE to fill up your car. Nothing Trudeau is spending money on has to be done.Jobs at what and whose cost? Harper signed an 15 billion dollar arms deal with Saudi Arabia known for beheading people and engaging in the same terrorist activities we are trying to fight on our own ground. Sure lets give Ontario 3000 workers work for 10 years while feeding this regime. No thanks. Arms deals, and oil pipeline expansion in a flooded market? That's what you believe to be the solution to our economic issues? These are just some of the many reasons I am voting Liberal. Your statement that the government 'kept us reliant on a single source of income' is an old leftist canard with no resemblance to reality. The oil and gas industry is something like 5% of the economy, no more. That's why prices plummeting has not unduly impacted those outside the oil industry. I'm not sure where you live but I'd like to see the statistics of that claim. Canada only uses 5% of economy on oil? I question that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Jobs at what and whose cost? Harper signed an 15 billion dollar arms deal with Saudi Arabia known for beheading people and engaging in the same terrorist activities we are trying to fight on our own ground. Jobs. Period. The economy. Period. So what if they sold some things to the Saudis. Do we refuse to deal with any nation which violates human rights? If so we need to pretty much stop dealing with non-white nations. How would you feel about that? And btw, the Saudis might be bad, but they're not indulging in genocide or sex slavery, so your comparison is simply outright wrong. Sure lets give Ontario 3000 workers work for 10 years while feeding this regime. No thanks Well that's mighty noble of you to give up your job for your principles! Uh, oh, but it's not YOUR job, eh? And do you think our refusal to sell the Saudis a bunch of armored personnel carriers is going to improve life over there? Because I think they'll just shrug and buy them from the Americans or Russians or French or British or Chinese. . Arms deals, and oil pipeline expansion in a flooded market? Do you believe the market will always be flooded? You're aware that pipelines take many years to completely, right? The present oil glut is not likely to last many years. I'm not sure where you live but I'd like to see the statistics of that claim. Canada only uses 5% of economy on oil? I question that statement. They've been posted here a number of times, actually. Anyone have a quick reference? Edited October 7, 2015 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Real great country we have if the PM can tell business people who they can sell to. These are not weapons but transports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrypenguin Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Jobs at what and whose cost? Harper signed an 15 billion dollar arms deal with Saudi Arabia known for beheading people and engaging in the same terrorist activities we are trying to fight on our own ground. Jobs. Period. The economy. Period. So what if they sold some things to the Saudis. Do we refuse to deal with any nation which violates human rights? If so we need to pretty much stop dealing with non-white nations. How would you feel about that? And btw, the Saudis might be bad, but they're not indulging in genocide or sex slavery, so your comparison is simply outright wrong. Sure lets give Ontario 3000 workers work for 10 years while feeding this regime. No thanks Well that's mighty noble of you to give up your job for your principles! Uh, oh, but it's not YOUR job, eh? And do you think our refusal to sell the Saudis a bunch of armored personnel carriers is going to improve life over there? Because I think they'll just shrug and buy them from the Americans or Russians or French or British or Chinese. . Arms deals, and oil pipeline expansion in a flooded market?Jobs at what and whose cost? Harper signed an 15 billion dollar arms deal with Saudi Arabia known for beheading people and engaging in the same terrorist activities we are trying to fight on our own ground. Jobs. Period. The economy. Period. So what if they sold some things to the Saudis. Do we refuse to deal with any nation which violates human rights? If so we need to pretty much stop dealing with non-white nations. How would you feel about that? And btw, the Saudis might be bad, but they're not indulging in genocide or sex slavery, so your comparison is simply outright wrong. Sure lets give Ontario 3000 workers work for 10 years while feeding this regime. No thanks Well that's mighty noble of you to give up your job for your principles! Uh, oh, but it's not YOUR job, eh? And do you think our refusal to sell the Saudis a bunch of armored personnel carriers is going to improve life over there? Because I think they'll just shrug and buy them from the Americans or Russians or French or British or Chinese. . Arms deals, and oil pipeline expansion in a flooded market? Do you believe the market will always be flooded? You're aware that pipelines take many years to completely, right? The present oil glut is not likely to last many years. I'm not sure where you live but I'd like to see the statistics of that claim. Canada only uses 5% of economy on oil? I question that statement. They've been posted here a number of times, actually. Anyone have a quick reference? Do you believe the market will always be flooded? You're aware that pipelines take many years to completely, right? The present oil glut is not likely to last many years. I'm not sure where you live but I'd like to see the statistics of that claim. Canada only uses 5% of economy on oil? I question that statement. They've been posted here a number of times, actually. Anyone have a quick reference? Actually, to build on the comment about Saudis. Our allies were bidding for the contract too. If we didn't get the deal, there'd be 3000 people without jobs in London ON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Maybe it's because mayor Nenshi is calling Harper out on his shenanigans. http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/10/06/calgary-mayor-naheed-nenshi-takes-on-tory-agenda-of-fear-steward.html Is that really the best you could come up with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberalhippy Posted October 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Actually, to build on the comment about Saudis. Our allies were bidding for the contract too. If we didn't get the deal, there'd be 3000 people without jobs in London ON And thus why Canada is no longer a peace keeping nation and now being targeted by terrorist organizations. Our international relations and dealings come at a cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrypenguin Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 And thus why Canada is no longer a peace keeping nation and now being targeted by terrorist organizations. Our international relations and dealings come at a cost. For real? You can't have it both ways with your comments. Do you buy stuff from China ?Do you support child labor? It's called business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 And thus why Canada is no longer a peace keeping nation and now being targeted by terrorist organizations. Our international relations and dealings come at a cost. That's just silly. Our international relations mean standing with our allies and against genocide. Are you suggesting Canada should no longer oppose genocide and sex slavery? We should maybe just abstain and be non-judgmental? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberalhippy Posted October 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 For real? You can't have it both ways with your comments. Do you buy stuff from China ?Do you support child labor? It's called business. I have my own thoughts on our reliance on China and the pollution they spew out to feed our need for byproducts of oil. Separate from any political parties opinion on this election Canada needs a reformed way of producing the tools we use day in and day out. Plastic is not sustainable from a health perspective or an environmental perspective but that's a whole other discussion entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberalhippy Posted October 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) That's just silly. Our international relations mean standing with our allies and against genocide. Are you suggesting Canada should no longer oppose genocide and sex slavery? We should maybe just abstain and be non-judgmental? I am suggesting that we have to be calculated in our approach. You know that thing called collateral damage? Not only does that open the doors for terrorist activities and recruitment, but it is also known as terrorism to the innocent people that are effected by it on the ground. Edited October 7, 2015 by Liberalhippy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeelious Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 They've been posted here a number of times, actually. Anyone have a quick reference? These numbers vary source to source, but generally 2.9-7.9% of GDP That doesn't include associated gains in manufacturing, etc. The Growth numbers tend to be higher, and that's where the hit in oil price is hurting more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Anthony Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Guys, Stick to the topic and stop trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 I have my own thoughts on our reliance on China and the pollution they spew out to feed our need for byproducts of oil. Separate from any political parties opinion on this election Canada needs a reformed way of producing the tools we use day in and day out. Plastic is not sustainable from a health perspective or an environmental perspective but that's a whole other discussion entirely. You must have been unhappy, then, when the Liberals were strongly criticizing Harper earlier in his first mandate, for not being nice to China, and for pointing out their human rights abuses, and for refusing to go there and kowtow to them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 I am suggesting that we have to be calculated in our approach. You know that thing called collateral damage? Not only does that open the doors for terrorist activities and recruitment, but it is also known as terrorism to the innocent people that are effected by it on the ground. So we should send them a stern note, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 So we should send them a stern note, then? Dear Mr. ISIL, Would you ever so much mind not cutting off peoples' heads, burning them alive in cages, forcing women to have abortions so your raping legions can assure their own offspring, stop blowing up sites from Antiquity, and encouraging like minded travelers in space and time from shooting up magazine publishers and Parliament? I know it's a bit of an imposition, but we would be ever so grateful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 A lot of people will toss around witty comments and pictures about how you shouldn't vote for this guy instead of posting why we should vote for that guy. I too am guilty of posting these thing but lets take a step back and dissect this for a minute. 99% of what you see being posted is people slamming another political party. Straight... up... slander. No deeper sense of meaning. No sense of greater good out of the discussions that come out of that. Just straight... up... slander.... We all feel passionate about our future. We all want to ensure that we will survive for as long as we can. It's human nature but you know what we can't survive? The onslaught of negative images, bigotry and hate. Hate for a misunderstood nation or religious practice. We fear what we don't understand. We fear what we do not know and so we allow this fear to manifest itself in hasty uninformed decisions and all of the potential consequences behind those decisions. You will see some of the people voting the Conservative party throw around words like "libtard". That word in and of itself just bleeds of ignorance. "Libtard" come on is that the best you can come up with in support for your party? Libtard? You try and get to the bare bones of some of these people and it's rooted in fear and ignorance. It hasn't been easy coming up with the one on party that I believe will best define my future but I can assure you it is an educated decision. 1. Despite his assistance in passing bill C-51 Trudeau has pledged to revamp the controversial parts of bill c-51. We should take our security seriously but we should also take our freedoms seriously as well. Bill c-51 was a hasty decision based in fear and a call to action. Do we really feel anymore secure with bill c-51? We are talking about a women's choice to wear a niqab at a civil ceremony. If bill c-51 does what it's supposed to, shouldn't we be able to trust any citizen that we allow into our borders and wish ill-will on us? How much does this project cost and why isn't it doing what you said it would do? Isn't it supposed to make us fear our neighbor less, not more? 2. If you have ever taken advantage of a low mortgage or filled up and the pumps because you knew the prices were going to sky rocket? Well this logic is no different than what the liberal party has promised to do for us. There is again a lot of fear behind the debates on this issue. Taking out a loan and a deficit in the low tide of a global economic market is one of the smartest things you can do. This is how you as an individual build equity. What equity do we have today from 8 years ago? Were we in a better position then as we are now? We are sitting on top of a multi-billion dollar oil industry and yet our current government made us no better for the wear by keeping us reliant on a single source of income. If you are in the job market and you only have one skill and that skill gets flooded you will have a problem finding a job. So why are we not investing into what the world wants on a global scale? Renewable resources. 3. Despite your support for or against the legalization of marijuana it has some numbers that you cannot ignore and numbers that add an entirely new set of revue for Canada. The state of Washington has sold $250 million in marijuana in the past year — roughly $62 million of which constitute marijuana excise taxes. Marijuana is not the gateway drug you have been told it is. Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why it's called a gateway drug? Let me spell it out for you. It's a gateway drug because of the prohibition of it. People are forced to deal with individuals that are involved in organized crime and will likely sell other drugs. Thus causing you to increase your chances of exposure to harder\tainted drugs. 4. The fair elections act - If you don't know what that is I suggest googling it. With the fair elections act it basically won't allow elections Canada to advertise that an election is going on. You might ask yourself? Well why should we spend money on getting people to vote. They should know that the vote is coming up and just want to vote anyways? Well I can't stress the importance of voting enough. It's the little bit of perceived control we have on this mad planet and we have to keep it. Most people are going to be fed biased fearful opinions about one party or another party, but the fact of the matter is that we need to stress the importance of a vote from an unbiased source. Plan and simple. Trudeau is against the fair elections act, AKA Bill C-23. This is just one of the many reasons why bill c-23 is not right for Canadians. 5. Harper has muzzled our statistics and research into the oils sands and environmental impacts. If you haven't heard the story about Harperman and one Tony turner then I again suggest you spend some time looking into it. This individual, an environmental scientist is being investigated and was sent home from his job because he wrong an anti-tory song. I've provided the link if you wish to take a look. This is one of just many of our muzzled scientists that want to speak out but can't do the Harpers new public servant opinions on elections rule that was sent to all our public servants. The liberals have promised to bring back the voice of the scientists and research. And finally I am open to discussing any of my opinions and or comments. Happy voting. 99% of what you see your beloved leader doing is slander. He focused on the $90,000 that was mis-spent by Duffy for two years while there was a country to run, and then dragged Shawinigate-man around with him on the campaign trail for added credibility. Ironic? FYI, $90,000 from a federal budget is like a ripple on the ocean, the Liberals and NDP were desperate to make this into the only issue of poltical importance of the last 3 years and they sidetracked our whole democracy to do it. If your spouse lost a dime that was sitting on your kitchen table in 2012 would you still be bitching about it? And who really expects the PMO to be overseeing every travel dollar spent by all his appointees in the senate and every elected member of their party?, Plus support staff, etc? Trudeau's dad appointed senators so old that they were less than a year from mandatory retirement, and they received severance packages and pensions worth well over $90K in 1980's dollars. T If you're a liberal supporter then slander is the only weapon in your arsenal, aside from "vote for me and I'll legalize weed". The main reasons not to vote for Trudeau's party are: 1 he's a self-proclaimed enemy of democracy -recall that he stated in public that noone is allowed to run for election as a liberal unless they are pro-choice (abortion)? Fwiw I'm pro-choice, but I consider it undemocratic to forbid a popular opinion from being expressed by anyone in the gov't. Call me crazy. -recall his admiration for the chinese governments ability to do whatever they want? 2 he's a stammering fool and lacks any semblance of stateliness or common sense. He's basically a Denny's night shift manager with a famous daddy. I can't imagime the PM of Canada being asked a question and just standing there with his mouth open for five seconds before he gives his trademark stupid answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 99% of what you see your beloved leader doing is slander. He focused on the $90,000 that was mis-spent by Duffy for two years while there was a country to run, and then dragged Shawinigate-man around with him on the campaign trail for added credibility. Ironic? FYI, $90,000 from a federal budget is like a ripple on the ocean, the Liberals and NDP were desperate to make this into the only issue of poltical importance of the last 3 years and they sidetracked our whole democracy to do it. If your spouse lost a dime that was sitting on your kitchen table in 2012 would you still be bitching about it? And who really expects the PMO to be overseeing every travel dollar spent by all his appointees in the senate and every elected member of their party?, Plus support staff, etc? Trudeau's dad appointed senators so old that they were less than a year from mandatory retirement, and they received severance packages and pensions worth well over $90K in 1980's dollars. only a purposeful misinformer would focus on the amount... on the $90K figure... and ignore the salient abuses of power and corruption within l'affaire Duffy! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 99% of what you see your beloved leader doing is slander. If you're a liberal supporter then slander is the only weapon in your arsenal, aside from "vote for me and I'll legalize weed". internet legal degree, hey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 The main reasons not to vote for Trudeau's party are: 1 he's a self-proclaimed enemy of democracy 2 he's a stammering fool and lacks any semblance of stateliness or common sense. He's basically a Denny's night shift manager with a famous daddy. I can't imagime the PM of Canada being asked a question and just standing there with his mouth open for five seconds before he gives his trademark stupid answer. are you saying he's not ready? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 For real? You can't have it both ways with your comments. Do you buy stuff from China ?Do you support child labor? It's called business. Exactly. China, India, planet earth. We trade with lots of regimes and countries whose human rights records aren't the best. And please, Hippy, they are attacking us because they don't like our way of life, our freedom, and the fact our women are legally allowed to go topless in the street, even if they don't (to my chagrin) always choose to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 are you saying he's not ready? . Heck no. He's had 2 whole years of experience as a drama teacher... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Heck no. He's had 2 whole years of experience as a drama teacher... you already lost that exchange in regards experience levels... Harper's mail-room gig, hey! It is rather self-serving of you to simply want to wish away 7 years of MP experience, 2 of those as party-leader. How ready is Harper... does he have his parachute ready for all those boards and stink-tanks that will be after him? You still think Harper's an economist! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 you already lost that exchange in regards experience levels.. You always seem to think you've won every argument you hold here, regardless of facts. As I recall, the pertinent facts are these. Harper spent some nineteen years working in politics, as aides and assistants to MPs in the Tory and Reform Party, policy chief, organizer and strategist of the latter, then an MP for the Canadian Alliance. He then headed a conservative lobby group before returning as Alliance leader and MP, whereupon he was able to negotiate the merging with the old Tories, then was elected leader. Nineteen years of strong political experience from all sides, from the back rooms to running for office, to lobbying politicians. And he did it all without nice hair and without a name anyone knew, and without family connections or money. Trudeau, by contrast, was drafted by the Liberals party hierarchy, which virtually begged him to run and be their leader, and threw their support behind him. Scads of family contacts showered him with money and used their influence to ensure he got elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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