PIK Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 No link. But listening to ''experts'' on the radio and were talking about harper's law of stripping citizenship. Well it turns out that law has been a law since 1867, supported by all liberal and conservative governments. It was even supported by the old CFF ,but did not like it when it was used against commies. It was used against Nazis and the commies. So for people to say that this is all about harper ,well it is not. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
waldo Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 sigh! Can we end this thread now... I guess the Harper Conservative Bill C-24 has nothing to do with anything - go figure! Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) This was discussed in the 3rd debate. I dislike how so many don't pay attention to federal politics. Edited October 2, 2015 by angrypenguin Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
PIK Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Posted October 2, 2015 It is good thread, to counter the BS spread about harper. And someone should tell trudeau that a Canadian citizenship isn’t a right. It’s a privilege. And for him to say some one from any country with different values and morales as someone whose family been in country for 200 yrs is offensive and a slap in the face of the canadians that built this country on certain values and morales. Under trudeau our citizenship will be found in cracker jack boxes. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
angrypenguin Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 It is good thread, to counter the BS spread about harper. And someone should tell trudeau that a Canadian citizenship isn’t a right. It’s a privilege. And for him to say some one from any country with different values and morales as someone whose family been in country for 200 yrs is offensive and a slap in the face of the canadians that built this country on certain values and morales. Under trudeau our citizenship will be found in cracker jack boxes. He's just going to hand them out to everyone under the sun. Quite literally if you follow his revised immigration policies and how many Syrians he wants to bring in. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
PIK Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Posted October 2, 2015 And there is one case of a convicted terrorist in the states. We strip him and he cant come back here to finish his sentence. We don't need to be spending a fortune housing these freaks. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 There are a lot of legal issues, though. The Nazis were immigrants who were deported for lying on their citizenship applications. Nobody wants these guys - is it a friendly act to an ally to send them over there when we have raised them? All Pakistan (or the UK, what about that scenario?) need to do is revoke first. And what if they start sending Canadians back here? Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 And what if they start sending Canadians back here? They already do. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 They already do. By revoking dual citizenship? Really? Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) By revoking dual citizenship? Really? Yes. Not the entire list, just the list off the top of my head: UK, US, New Zealand, France and (of course) Canada. Australia is passing legislation at the moment as well. In fact, Australia goes one step farther. They're looking at stripping citizenship for only sole Australian passport holders as well!! Edited October 2, 2015 by angrypenguin Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
PIK Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Posted October 2, 2015 This idea that we have to accept everyone that comes here is a dangerous one. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Guest Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Yes. Not the entire list, just the list off the top of my head: UK, US, New Zealand, France and (of course) Canada. Australia is passing legislation at the moment as well. In fact, Australia goes one step farther. They're looking at stripping citizenship for only sole Australian passport holders as well!! How does that work? Antarctica? Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 It's not hard to foresee a scenario where lawyers for the defendants will contact embassies to get revocation in the other country fast-tracked before it even gets started here. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 How does that work? Antarctica? I'm not entirely sure. The Australians are examining the idea. There's some UN? law that prevents this though, so not sure how they'll get around this. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
waldo Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 It is good thread, to counter the BS spread about harper. and yet you presume to completely ignore the Harper Conservative Bill C-24? This is a nonsense thread and given the lack of info/detail within your OP, should be terminated in line with several recent board moderator/facilitator actions aimed to bring forward meaningful threads. Quote
Black Dog Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) It is good thread, to counter the BS spread about harper. And someone should tell trudeau that a Canadian citizenship isn’t a right. It’s a privilege. Uh...Canadian citizenship is absolutely a right. A birthright to be precise. And for him to say some one from any country with different values and morales as someone whose family been in country for 200 yrs is offensive and a slap in the face of the canadians that built this country on certain values and morales. Wut? Under trudeau our citizenship will be found in cracker jack boxes. Unlike now where most citizens must past the rigorous test of "did you slide out of a vagina in Canada?" It's a tremendous irony to me that the people who argue most strongly for two tiered citizenship are the ones who did the least to acquire theirs. Edited October 2, 2015 by Black Dog Quote
Guest Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 I had to take an oath to get my Canadian citizenship. I don't remember what it was, but I'm fairly sure that committing a terrorist act against Canada and/or Canadians would break some part of it or other. Good enough reason to be kicked out. Quote
Big Guy Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Ok, I think I understand. We are arresting and keeping Canadians here for trying to leave Canada to possibly join terrorists some other place in the world because we don't want them creating chaos elsewhere. Now we are stripping citizenship from Canadians because they are terrorists and deporting them to create problems somewhere else. That makes sense - does it not? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
angrypenguin Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Ok, I think I understand. We are arresting and keeping Canadians here for trying to leave Canada to possibly join terrorists some other place in the world because we don't want them creating chaos elsewhere. Now we are stripping citizenship from Canadians because they are terrorists and deporting them to create problems somewhere else. That makes sense - does it not? The issue is that we arrest them, but we can't keep them in jail! Like that Toronto 18 bomber who's eligible for parole in 2016. If you make me choose between him roaming free in Canada or to deport his butt, I choose the latter. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Guest Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Ok, I think I understand. We are arresting and keeping Canadians here for trying to leave Canada to possibly join terrorists some other place in the world because we don't want them creating chaos elsewhere. Now we are stripping citizenship from Canadians because they are terrorists and deporting them to create problems somewhere else. That makes sense - does it not? The first part does seem rather silly, I agree. There should be a special row at the airport for them. Quote
Big Guy Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 The issue is that we arrest them, but we can't keep them in jail! Like that Toronto 18 bomber who's eligible for parole in 2016. If you make me choose between him roaming free in Canada or to deport his butt, I choose the latter. Then why not allow those who want to leave Canada to also "self deport"? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
angrypenguin Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Then why not allow those who want to leave Canada to also "self deport"? Because why would they? There's no incentive for them to do so. It's not like they're going to go "screw you Canada, I hate you and I'm going to bomb you, oh and hey, please take back my passport as well". Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Guest Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 The issue is that we arrest them, but we can't keep them in jail! Like that Toronto 18 bomber who's eligible for parole in 2016. If you make me choose between him roaming free in Canada or to deport his butt, I choose the latter. Do we have an "At Her Majesty's Pleasure" option in Canada like they do (used to have?) in the UK. Then you never have to let them go. Quote
Big Guy Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Because why would they? There's no incentive for them to do so. It's not like they're going to go "screw you Canada, I hate you and I'm going to bomb you, oh and hey, please take back my passport as well". Please explain, I am reading your response that those Canadian who want to leave Canada to join a battle in the Middle East should not be arrested and detained? If so then I agree and have been saying that ever since that silly legislation was passed. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
angrypenguin Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 Please explain, I am reading your response that those Canadian who want to leave Canada to join a battle in the Middle East should not be arrested and detained? If so then I agree and have been saying that ever since that silly legislation was passed. Oh. I think I misinterpreted your statement. In a perfect world, I'd go and jail every terrorist out there who threatens to harm us for life, even if we have to bear the tax $ to do so. The reality is that a convicted terrorist (Toronto 18) is eligible for parole next year. So clearly we can't jail them for life. In that case, my argument is that we kick them out of the country and yank their citizenship, so they can't come back into this country, which is a right AFAIK of any Canadian citizen. If they want to harm us, make it that much more difficult for them to do so - by yanking their passport. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
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