ToadBrother Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 The problem is that we can't take care of our own mess. One of the convicted terrorists is eligible for parole next year. Of course we can handle our own messes. If we have a convicted terrorist who has only Canadian citizenship, we'll deal with him upon his release, much as we do any criminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Of course we can handle our own messes. If we have a convicted terrorist who has only Canadian citizenship, we'll deal with him upon his release, much as we do any criminal. That's where your opinion and mine differ. I believe we do not adequately deal with our own messes. In light of that, I'd like to see convicted terrorists as far away from this country as possible. - I even hold the view that if they only have a Canadian passport, that we should strip them of that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 It's not enough for Kenney to 'clarify' Harper's words: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-citizenship-terrorism-1.3254095 Harper himself needs to make an unambiguous statement that no attempt will be made to revoke citizenship for other crimes, given it was he who raised this alarming possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 It's not enough for Kenney to 'clarify' Harper's words: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-citizenship-terrorism-1.3254095 Harper himself needs to make an unambiguous statement that no attempt will be made to revoke citizenship for other crimes, given it was he who raised this alarming possibility. Harper did, last night in the French debates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Harper did, last night in the French debates. Good. What exactly did he say? No wiggle room, I hope. This is of serious concern to any new Canadian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted October 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Good. What exactly did he say? No wiggle room, I hope. This is of serious concern to any new Canadian. Make new canadians think twice about being a idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Good. What exactly did he say? No wiggle room, I hope. This is of serious concern to any new Canadian. That there will be no other conditions that will be added into C24 that will allow the government to revoke citizenship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Make new canadians think twice about being a idiot.This particular person was born in Canada. He's as Canadian as you or I... Or at least he used to be.I was born here but have dual citizenship. This law means I am not as Canadian as others. This won't stand up to a Charter challenge though, so there is really nothing to worry about. It'll be another Harper law struck down as unconstitutional. That will be Harper's legacy.... a series of unconstitutional laws. Edited October 3, 2015 by The_Squid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted October 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 This particular person was born in Canada. He's as Canadian as you or I... Or at least he used to be. I was born here but have dual citizenship. This law means I am not as Canadian as others. This won't stand up to a Charter challenge though, so there is really nothing to worry about. It'll be another Harper law struck down as unconstitutional. That will be Harper's legacy.... a series of unconstitutional laws. 1/2 canadian, to bad. Drop the other one and become a real canadian.But I will say this one case is a bit on the silly side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 1/2 canadian, to bad. Drop the other one and become a real canadian.But I will say this one case is a bit on the silly side. I'm as Canadian as anyone. I have dual citizenship. What is silly about this case? Please explain what you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 1/2 canadian, to bad. Drop the other one and become a real canadian.But I will say this one case is a bit on the silly side. A bit like Mulcair.........hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 A bit like Mulcair.........hmm. Are you saying Mulcair is disloyal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Are you saying Mulcair is disloyal? I'm saying that when he was asked if he would renounce his French citizenship, he declined. If he's so Canadian that he wants to lead Canada, he should renounce his French citizenship. I'm actually very much for how the US handles this. If you're not born in the US, you can't be President. I agree with this wholeheartedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 I'm saying that when he was asked if he would renounce his French citizenship, he declined. If he's so Canadian that he wants to lead Canada, he should renounce his French citizenship. I'm actually very much for how the US handles this. If you're not born in the US, you can't be President. I agree with this wholeheartedly. We have something similar, the Act of Settlement (recently amended). But since the PM isn't a president, buy merely an MP, are you saying you want anyone with dual citizenship banned from being a member of Parliament? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Are you saying Mulcair is disloyal? hmmmm... He IS advocating for the destruction of Canadian institutions.... but then, so is Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) We have something similar, the Act of Settlement (recently amended). But since the PM isn't a president, buy merely an MP, are you saying you want anyone with dual citizenship banned from being a member of Parliament? I never said it was practical. I was just saying that I would prefer a PM is an old stock Canadian Edited October 3, 2015 by angrypenguin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 That's where your opinion and mine differ. I believe we do not adequately deal with our own messes. In light of that, I'd like to see convicted terrorists as far away from this country as possible. - I even hold the view that if they only have a Canadian passport, that we should strip them of that too. Why not rapists and murderers? Why not pedophiles too? Throw in anyone who is convicted of fraud for good reason… You drink and drive well outta the country you go. We don't deal properly with many of the above mentioned crimes, so why don't we revoke citizenship for them as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Make new canadians think twice about being a idiot. But those born in Canada are free to be an idiot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 1/2 canadian, to bad. Drop the other one and become a real canadian.But I will say this one case is a bit on the silly side. So I am not a real Canadian because I have a dual citizenship? I guess as a fake Canadian I shouldn't go and serve in the military since after all it is only for REAL Canadians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 That there will be no other conditions that will be added into C24 that will allow the government to revoke citizenship. Can you guarantee that no new conditions will be added 5 years from now with a different PM? What about 15? Or maybe 50 years from now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 The article doesn't mention whether they can strip people of their citizenship who were born in the country. It's a significant distinction. And it's a glaring omission on the part of the article. It also doesn't make the distinction if there's a legal process, whereby it's a punishment handed out by the courts with an appeal process or if it's like the Harper Government™ plan that allows a partisan government minister to strip people of their citizenship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 The problem is that we can't take care of our own mess. One of the convicted terrorists is eligible for parole next year. Did he not have a fair trial? Do you know the details of his case and what he was involved in? Did he murder thousands of people or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) . Edited October 3, 2015 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) I never said it was practical. I was just saying that I would prefer a PM is an old stock Canadian Mulcair was born in Ottawa. How much more "old stock" do you get? He also fought against Quebec separatism and you dare question his loyalty? Your comments are Mulcair are exceedingly ignorant. Edited October 3, 2015 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Why not rapists and murderers? Why not pedophiles too? Throw in anyone who is convicted of fraud for good reason… You drink and drive well outta the country you go. We don't deal properly with many of the above mentioned crimes, so why don't we revoke citizenship for them as well? We can do like Cuba and send them to the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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