Hydraboss Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 ...all without an election. See, this is where we disagree. If the CPC failed to have confidence on their first vote, we have an issue in the House. You and I understand what the GG could potentially do, but to switch governing parties without another election would probably cause major confusion with the electorate and you might as well start following the trending of the word "coup" right now. It's not what is "legal" - it's the "perception of legal" with most people. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
ReeferMadness Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 See, this is where we disagree. If the CPC failed to have confidence on their first vote, we have an issue in the House. You and I understand what the GG could potentially do, but to switch governing parties without another election would probably cause major confusion with the electorate and you might as well start following the trending of the word "coup" right now. It's not what is "legal" - it's the "perception of legal" with most people. You mean the "perception" that was created by Harper's Conservatives blatantly lying about how our system of governance works. That perception? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Hydraboss Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 People bought what they were sold now didn't they? Most people have no idea how our system works so if the CPC shout "coup" (very quietly - like perhaps a "leak"?), then most people are going to hear it because very few people could be bothered to actually study a little about Canadian government. Harper will have all the cards in that event..."we won the most seats"..."they want to change YOUR government without giving you a say"..."a free and democratic society is based on your right to VOTE for your government"...etc, etc. Sound bites play well. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
Smallc Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 I'm not convinced that they bought anything. The Bloc was at the table and in the photo. There was no way that was happening, and no change that it'll happen again. Quote
Hydraboss Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 But it wasn't against the rules of our system, was it? Yet Harper was able to form the result into a majority. He was selling, and the people were buying. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
Smallc Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 But it wasn't against the rules of our system, was it? Of course not. Had a separatist party not been at the table, I doubt Canadians would have cared. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 People bought what they were sold now didn't they? Most people have no idea how our system works so if the CPC shout "coup" (very quietly - like perhaps a "leak"?), then most people are going to hear it because very few people could be bothered to actually study a little about Canadian government. I think most people have at least some idea. Harper will have all the cards in that event..."we won the most seats"..."they want to change YOUR government without giving you a say"..."a free and democratic society is based on your right to VOTE for your government"...etc, etc. Sound bites play well. Harper won't have the opportunity. He can wail all he wants, but if the opposition parties can keep the peace for a couple of years, Harper and his objections will be meaningless. The only thing that counts after defeat on the Throne Speech is whether the Governor General sees that another party can govern, or not. This isn't 2008, no matter how much you may wish it was. Quote
socialist Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 I think most people have at least some idea. Harper won't have the opportunity. He can wail all he wants, but if the opposition parties can keep the peace for a couple of years, Harper and his objections will be meaningless. The only thing that counts after defeat on the Throne Speech is whether the Governor General sees that another party can govern, or not. This isn't 2008, no matter how much you may wish it was. I might vote LPC because of Trudeau's tough guy talk to the bully Putin. With the prospect of Justin Trudeau becoming PM of Canada, one has to wonder how nervous Vladimir Putin is. Putin has been allowed to be a world bully and no one has stood up to him. Now it looks like Shot puts Justin Trudeau will be PM. Trudeau has stated that he will, to Putin's face, tell Putin what a bully he really is. Will Putin want to risk his reputation and have himself exposed as a bully by Justin Trudeau? Again, Trudeau said he will tell Putin TO HIS FACE that he is a bully. Putin fears looking weak. I wonder if we will see a surprise resignation in Moscow before Monday. I heard through insiders that Justin Trudeau makes Putin shake in his boots. No other world leader has the power to stop Putin like Justin Trudeau, because Justin Trudeau said he will tell off Putin to his face. The crazy world of geo-politiks is about to get crazier. Justin Trudeau plays hard ball. Putin is nervous. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
ReeferMadness Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 But it wasn't against the rules of our system, was it? Yet Harper was able to form the result into a majority. He was selling, and the people were buying. So, you're argument is it's OK to lie to people as long as they are gullible enough to believe you. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Argus Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 You're an extremist because you don't believe in democracy, unless it delivers you only the answer you want. You are making crap up and attributing it to him. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 I'm generally not an 'anyone but' voter but I think the basic premise is that one option is so bad that any of the others would be less bad, even if they don't quite make you happy. And if that is legitimate, how is it not legitimate to do the reverse? The reason a lot of people are voting Harper is because the alternatives are so bad. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 So, you're argument is it's OK to lie to people as long as they are gullible enough to believe you. Isn't that called politics? How many political leaders do you know who haven't lied? I can't think of one offhand. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 I think either camp is being too dramatic personally. No matter who wins on Monday, your life won't really change. That's because Canadian politics has driven both (all 3 really) major parties towards the centre. The trick for them is to get close to it without just seeming like copies of their opponents. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Isn't that called politics? How many political leaders do you know who haven't lied? I can't think of one offhand. No, it's not called politics. It's called lying. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Hydraboss Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Which is what every single party in Canada, federal or provincial, does. Always have. Always will. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
Evening Star Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) And if that is legitimate, how is it not legitimate to do the reverse? The reason a lot of people are voting Harper is because the alternatives are so bad. Is this question even addressed to me? It's perfectly legitimate to do the reverse. I have never said otherwise. Edited October 16, 2015 by Evening Star Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 I think either camp is being too dramatic personally. No matter who wins on Monday, your life won't really change. That's because Canadian politics has driven both (all 3 really) major parties towards the centre. The trick for them is to get close to it without just seeming like copies of their opponents. Post-Harper, if that happy event happens, I don't think one man will loom quite as large in our country. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Is this question even addressed to me? It's perfectly legitimate to do the reverse. I have never said otherwise. For Consevatives, there is no alternative. Strategic voting for them means cheering on everyone else but the Liberals to split the non-Conservative majority and continue minority rule. Quote
Army Guy Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 I might vote LPC because of Trudeau's tough guy talk to the bully Putin. With the prospect of Justin Trudeau becoming PM of Canada, one has to wonder how nervous Vladimir Putin is. Putin has been allowed to be a world bully and no one has stood up to him. Now it looks like Shot puts Justin Trudeau will be PM. Trudeau has stated that he will, to Putin's face, tell Putin what a bully he really is. Will Putin want to risk his reputation and have himself exposed as a bully by Justin Trudeau? Again, Trudeau said he will tell Putin TO HIS FACE that he is a bully. Putin fears looking weak. I wonder if we will see a surprise resignation in Moscow before Monday. I heard through insiders that Justin Trudeau makes Putin shake in his boots. No other world leader has the power to stop Putin like Justin Trudeau, because Justin Trudeau said he will tell off Putin to his face. The crazy world of geo-politiks is about to get crazier. Justin Trudeau plays hard ball. Putin is nervous. Ya putin is shaking in his boots......maybe putin will throat punch him....now that would be funny.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 The crazy world of geo-politiks is about to get crazier. Justin Trudeau plays hard ball. Putin is nervous. How much time each day do you think Vlad devotes to the subject of Canada? New management in this country will not change that number. Nobody pays attention to us. We should know that by now. Quote
Smallc Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 How much time each day do you think Vlad devotes to the subject of Canada? New management in this country will not change that number. Nobody pays attention to us. We should know that by now. Actually, Russia is one of the few countries that does pay attention to us. The others being China, the UK, France...and a few smaller places like Philippines, Haiti, etc. Quote
PIK Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Just how desperate can the Conservatives get? This nutter claims the Liberals will "mandate brothels". WINGNUTS!! GET YOUR WINGNUTS HERE!! CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN!!! About time the conservatives threw back crap like the BS that the other 2 parties and the media has said over the yrs. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 I'm with you. If Trudeau wins, we need to hold his feet to the fire. That is all we need is to end up like Italy. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Actually, Russia is one of the few countries that does pay attention to us. The others being China, the UK, France...and a few smaller places like Philippines, Haiti, etc. No, they don't. For them, we are a satellite of the US. Once you leave Canada, the country disappears from the news. Nobody will change that. Harper certainly did not. We need to be more realistic about our place in the world. Edited October 16, 2015 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
Smallc Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Russian media reports in Canada often. You need to pay attention. Quote
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