GostHacked Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/saudi-arabia-armoured-vehicle-deal-canada-stephen-harper-1.3244290 The issue of whether Canada should be involved in such a deal with a country with a poor human rights record carried forward Friday. Conservative Leader Stephen Harper, as he did the night before, defended the $15-billion deal that Canada helped secure last year, under which the London, Ont.-based manufacturer General Dynamics Land Systems will sell armoured vehicles to Saudi Arabia. There are economic benefits that come with this deal, sure. But at what expense? We are delivering weapons to a nation that exports a lot of terrorism. Terrible human rights records, and yet we complain when Russia sells weapons to Syria. What a double standard. We are essentially on board with them and their corrupt ways and oppression of people. Why would this deal be approved when we know how bad Saudi Arabia is? What is the benefit to us assisting in oppressing other people while exporting weapons to terrorists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/saudi-arabia-armoured-vehicle-deal-canada-stephen-harper-1.3244290 There are economic benefits that come with this deal, sure. But at what expense? We are delivering weapons to a nation that exports a lot of terrorism. Terrible human rights records, and yet we complain when Russia sells weapons to Syria. What a double standard. We are essentially on board with them and their corrupt ways and oppression of people. Why would this deal be approved when we know how bad Saudi Arabia is? What is the benefit to us assisting in oppressing other people while exporting weapons to terrorists? Because it's not a matter of good or bad, like so many people have been brainwashed to believe.The reality is , it's us against them. Who's side are you on? You're own or theirs? As soon as you look at it from that perspective you no longer are in conflict with yourself. Ultimat good and ultimat bad doesn't exist. As long as they are NATO's allies. Your question should be more along the line of; should they be NATO's allies. Edited September 26, 2015 by Freddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 If it's us against them why are you arming Islamic theocracies again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Your question should be more along the line of; should they be NATO's allies. Should we? I don't think so myself. We'll never be better than the lowest of our allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 The government brokered a deal that meant $15B being spent in Canada. That's awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Conservatives hate Muslim extremists. Except when they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 If it's us against them why are you arming Islamic theocracies again? Same reason Canada helps to arm American neoconservative imperialists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 The government brokered a deal that meant $15B being spent in Canada. That's awesome. Yes...this was a big, competitive win for manufacturing in Canada....and my General Dynamics stock ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Conservatives hate Muslim extremists. Except when they don't. Oh but I heard Harper say in an interview just recently say how "we have from time to time expressed our outrage over human rights abuses in Saudi". So there, take that King Salman. Now, let's sign that contract. I wonder if we have any guillotines we could sell them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Who's side are you on? Assuming there is any intelligence in the "us vs them" question (which I don't), a better question might be "Whose side is Saudi Arabia on?" It's a repressive theocratic dictatorship that has puritanical Wahabbi sect schools. Most of the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. There are persistent reports that 911 funding came out of Saudi Arabia. ISIS is a Sunni movement and Sauds are Sunni as well. Are we really to believe that there is no support for ISIS coming from Saudi Arabia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Should we? I don't think so myself. We'll never be better than the lowest of our allies. Based on moral ground. No Based on the overall picture. Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Assuming there is any intelligence in the "us vs them" question (which I don't), a better question might be "Whose side is Saudi Arabia on?" It's a repressive theocratic dictatorship that has puritanical Wahabbi sect schools. Most of the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. There are persistent reports that 911 funding came out of Saudi Arabia. ISIS is a Sunni movement and Sauds are Sunni as well. Are we really to believe that there is no support for ISIS coming from Saudi Arabia?Maybe the fact they are such a big player with the oil market it simply is not in our best interest to have them as anything else but our allies.Would having Saudi's buy their weapons from China and Russia be better? They will get weapons reguardless that we make them or someone else. There is a sneak peak of the bigger picture. They may even be picking Canada because they know we are hurt from the oil price drop. Use your imagination. Stop thinking in a strictly moral sense. The world is not black & white Edited September 27, 2015 by Freddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 ...They may even be picking Canada because they know we are hurt from the oil price drop. Use your imagination. The Saudis have been good customers in the past for Canadian made light armour....almost 2,000 vehicles. This is just a bigger contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Maybe the fact they are such a big player with the oil market it simply is not in our best interest to have them as anything else but our allies. Would having Saudi's buy their weapons from China and Russia be better? They will get weapons reguardless that we make them or someone else. There is a sneak peak of the bigger picture. They may even be picking Canada because they know we are hurt from the oil price drop. Use your imagination. Stop thinking in a strictly moral sense. The world is not black & white Doesn't take a lot of imagination to understand the Saudi's helped create the oil price drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 The Saudis have been good customers in the past for Canadian made light armour....almost 2,000 vehicles. This is just a bigger contract. They will buy weapons regardless that we make them our not. All the bleeding harts will waste their time feeling guilty. Personally I won't lose any sleep over it. I welcome the extra export in a time when we can use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Doesn't take a lot of imagination to understand the Saudi's helped create the oil price drop. Yes and hurt us unintentionally in the process. This could be them trying to make up for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Yes and hurt us unintentionally in the process. This could be them trying to make up for it. Oh if that was ALL they need to make up for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 There are economic benefits that come with this deal, sure. But at what expense? If they're not monetary expenses, Conservatives don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 They will buy weapons regardless that we make them our not. All the bleeding harts will waste their time feeling guilty. Personally I won't lose any sleep over it. I welcome the extra export in a time when we can use it. Agreed...Canada beat out several European competitors (and allies) that would have gladly signed the deal. All this domestic human rights hooey is just for the political circus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Agreed...Canada beat out several European competitors (and allies) that would have gladly signed the deal. All this domestic human rights hooey is just for the political circus. So you reckon human rights are nothing more than a circus. Maybe down south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 So you reckon human rights are nothing more than a circus. Maybe down south. It's a circus for simple minded folks. The world is much more complex, then good and bad. It's more of a US, and them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 They will buy weapons regardless that we make them our not. All the bleeding harts will waste their time feeling guilty. Personally I won't lose any sleep over it. I welcome the extra export in a time when we can use it. Well sleep well knowing that the weapons you sold are being used to murder thousands of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Well sleep well knowing that the weapons you sold are being used to murder thousands of people. I will, because they will buy those weapons regardless that it's from us or someone else. We will benefit from the trade, and from that, some good will come from it.I can't stand bleeding harts like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 I will, because they will buy those weapons regardless Hell, why don't we just start letting kids into casinos, and serving them alcohol and tobacco too. We should sell them weed too. They're going to get those things regardless. The government might as well make money off the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) "I can't stand bleeding harts like you."Same I can't stand deer hunting for sport either. Edited September 27, 2015 by G Huxley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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