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[bush_cheney2004]

I was just watching the US network news..... There is no hand wringing going on, no guilty fingernail biting about what can be done. It's just treated as another foreign story.

The U.S. does not have a federal election in just five weeks. It is just another foreign story.

[Big Guy]

The thing nobody wants to talk about, wondering how many of the 400,000 refugees now in Europe are Al Qaida / ISIS operatives? And how many does there have to be to create a very serious threat?

...

It is estimated that there are now about 41,000 people in Canada who have been ordered deported and cannot be found.

"It is estimated that the total number of illegal immigrants in Canada could be as high as 120,000 and the government estimates suggest about 100,000. However on the other end of the scale some of the low range estimates are as low as 30,000. It is estimated that approximately 6,000 illegal immigrants enter the country every year."

http://vscouncil.ca/how-many-people-immigrate-to-canada-every-year/

Do you really think that Al Qaida operatives or ISIS spies would need refugees as cover if they wanted to enter Canada?

[WestCoastRunner]

The U.S. does not have a federal election in just five weeks. It is just another foreign story.

I don't believe that for a second. Americans would rather talk about The Donald. He's much more entertaining.

[WestCoastRunner]

The governments reflect their religious beliefs. And yes, as far as I know, none of those countries have laws against what a man can do to his wife.

You are insinuating that every Muslim man beats and rapes his wife. So therefore we shouldn't allow them as refugees? Is that what you are saying? Edited September 7, 2015 by WestCoastRunner

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't believe that for a second. Americans would rather talk about The Donald. He's much more entertaining.

Forum rules require that we refer to Mr. Trump more formally. He is not a Syrian refugee.

[WestCoastRunner]

Forum rules require that we refer to Mr. Trump more formally. He is not a Syrian refugee.

The Donald is much more fitting.

[bush_cheney2004]

The Donald is much more fitting.

I agree that Mr. Trump is more interesting than any Canadian candidate, with or without Syrian refugees. Perhaps that's why Canadians pay attention to him.

[WestCoastRunner]

I agree that Mr. Trump is more interesting than any Canadian candidate, with or without Syrian refugees. Perhaps that's why Canadians pay attention to him.

My point seems to have eluded you. Typical.

[Springer]

WestCoast...

Do they need to?

No.

Would they take advantage of a situation like this mess?

What do you think?

Edited September 7, 2015 by Springer

[WestCoastRunner]

WestCoast...

Do they need to?

No.

Would they take advantage of a situation like this mess?

What do you think?

I have no idea what you are talking about? Can you quote whatever you are addressing?

[WestCoastRunner]

The governments reflect their religious beliefs. And yes, as far as I know, none of those countries have laws against what a man can do to his wife.

Do you have any idea of the rates of domestic violence in Canada:

• On average, every six days a woman in Canada is killed by her intimate partner. In 2011, In 2011, from the 89 police reported
• On any given day in Canada, more than 3,300 women (along with their 3,000 children) are forced to sleep in an emergency shelter to escape domestic violence. Every night, about 200 women are turned away because the shelters are full.
• Each year, over 40,000 arrests result from domestic violence—that’s about 12% of all violent crime in Canada.⁵ Since only 22% of all incidents are reported to the police, the real number is much higher.
• As of 2010, there were 582 known cases of missing or murdered Aboriginal women in Canada.^{6(this is Canadian women, not Muslim women)} Both Amnesty International and the United Nations have called upon the Canadian government to take action on this issue, without success.^7,8 According to the Native Women’s Association of Canada, “if this figure were applied proportionately to the rest of the female population there would be over 18,000 missing Canadian women and girls.”⁹
• In a 2009 Canadian national survey, women reported 460,000 incidents of sexual assault in just one year. ¹¹ Only about 10% of all sexual assaults are reported to police.¹² When it comes to sexual assault, women are frequently not believed, blamed for being assaulted, “or subjected to callous or insensitive treatment, when police fail to take evidence, or when their cases are dropped arbitrarily.” ¹³ Only a handful of reported assaults ever result in a conviction: each year, only about 1,500 sexual assault offenders are actually convicted.¹⁴

Perhaps you should look closer to home for violence against women.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Do you have any idea of the rates of domestic violence in Canada:

• On average, every six days a woman in Canada is killed by her intimate partner. In 2011, In 2011, from the 89 police reported
• On any given day in Canada, more than 3,300 women (along with their 3,000 children) are forced to sleep in an emergency shelter to escape domestic violence. Every night, about 200 women are turned away because the shelters are full.
• Each year, over 40,000 arrests result from domestic violence—that’s about 12% of all violent crime in Canada.⁵ Since only 22% of all incidents are reported to the police, the real number is much higher.
• As of 2010, there were 582 known cases of missing or murdered Aboriginal women in Canada.^{6(this is Canadian women, not Muslim women)} Both Amnesty International and the United Nations have called upon the Canadian government to take action on this issue, without success.^7,8 According to the Native Women’s Association of Canada, “if this figure were applied proportionately to the rest of the female population there would be over 18,000 missing Canadian women and girls.”⁹
• In a 2009 Canadian national survey, women reported 460,000 incidents of sexual assault in just one year. ¹¹ Only about 10% of all sexual assaults are reported to police.¹² When it comes to sexual assault, women are frequently not believed, blamed for being assaulted, “or subjected to callous or insensitive treatment, when police fail to take evidence, or when their cases are dropped arbitrarily.” ¹³ Only a handful of reported assaults ever result in a conviction: each year, only about 1,500 sexual assault offenders are actually convicted.¹⁴

Perhaps you should look closer to home for violence against women.

Unfortunate statistics but true. And also a good reminder to those who think it is other's people backyard which is dirty. Clean up your own backyard before looking over others and criticizing them how dirty theirs is. This post is especially a reminder to those who continue to post about Muslims as how bad and anti women they are or forget about how violent their own culture is. I don't know much about Muslim culture but I know this much that incidents of rape and sexual assaults and child sexual abuse and exploitation of women is much less in those muslim regions than most of so called civil societies in the west who are supposedly more respectful towards women.

Edited September 7, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015

[drummindiver]

Hey Big Guy, I know you don't like me commenting on your posts, but seriously, have you looked at what many other countries in the area are doing? That's right, less than zero.

You continue to post how evil Israel is while heaping praise upon Iran. How many refugees has Iran accepted?
Uh, right. Zero.

[On Guard for Thee]

I agree that Mr. Trump is more interesting than any Canadian candidate, with or without Syrian refugees. Perhaps that's why Canadians pay attention to him.

We also watch the 3 stooges. Same reason.

[Springer]

Sorry about that, WestCoast. For some reason the "quote" thing ain't happening for me, and I screwed up, too rushed.

That was meant to be a reply to Big Guy.

[waldo]

Now this is quit a graph you got Waldo......Canada 41 st .....

Of course, in context, which you hate, I know, we're well above the United States, the United Kingdom, Spain, New Zealand, Japan, Ireland and Germany, Italy, Greece, France and Finland, Belgium, Australia, and other vicious, cruel, evil right wing regimes, eh Waldo?

Among the superior countries Waldo is holding up to us as star examples, Chad, Afghanistan, Camaroon, Congo, Iran, Lebanon, well, you get the idea. And by the way, Lebanon still has palestinian refugees who have been living there for three generations and are still not considered citizens, so I have to wonder at just how this chart defines 'resettlement'.

guys, guys... of course, you ignore the real context! You know, the one where Harper spoke of Canada being #1 per capita... and he did so while being asked a refugee related question. In actuality, Harper was trolling an immigration related stat... and even there Canada is most definitely not #1 per capita. So the lead related reference on Global National this evening had the announcer state that... and I kid you not... Harper Conservatives have indicated that Canada is #1 per capita in taking in refugees! I guess that lil' nugget from Harper met its target!

now you're certainly in a position to do your own research and provide your own apology stats for Harper Conservatives... you could do that, right? Oh wait... that would mean you'd actually have to... do some research and put together an actual argument based on data/facts. Such a foreign concept to supporters of Harper Conservatives, hey!

[waldo]

Do you have any idea of the rates of domestic violence in Canada:

Perhaps you should look closer to home for violence against women.

excellent post! Clearly, those who ready-reach to evoke fears of the MuslimMenace™ have little to no actual understanding of the nature/degree of domestic violence in "the west"...

[waldo]

The thing nobody wants to talk about, wondering how many of the 400,000 refugees now in Europe are Al Qaida / ISIS operatives? And how many does there have to be to create a very serious threat?

It is incumbent upon the Canadian government to background check or screen applicants before accepting them into our country, and that is as should be, given what we have witnessed over the last twenty years, and particularly over the last year.

I've no qualms whatsoever with blocking those looking to enter Canada with that brand of issues in tow, and if that slows down the process, so be it.

damn! Sleeper cells being fed by refugee applicants! Can you get that hot tip on over to CSIS, asap? In any case, your "talking point"... which is what its become in recent days... is to presume that all manner of existing background checks will be side-stepped as "Mulcair/Trudeau" open up the doors... wide open... come one, come all!

[Civis Romanus sum]

He may have been a monster, but he kept the various factions at bay and the place was relatively stable. I've already pointed out I was no fan, but the so called democratically elected PM was totally the wrong man to put in his place.

So would you be in favour of keeping Assad in power in Syria on the same basis?

[On Guard for Thee]

So would you be in favour of keeping Assad in power in Syria on the same basis?

I'm not but apparently Harper is.

[Civis Romanus sum]

I don't know much when it comes to religion but I know that much that most if not all religions discriminate based on gender Christianity included.

You can't compare the discrimination against women which still exists in our society to what exists in Muslim societies. It would be like comparing the racism which still exists in our society to the racism which existed in 1950s Alabama.

What I am against though is generalization. I am sure that you can find among Muslims too many who respect women as much as most progressive western men do though I admit percentage wise it may be lower.

Far and away lower. I am no expert in religion, but I would say both Christianity and Islam saw women as nothing more than baby makers, while at the same time feared them as a temptation to sin. Western society has tended over the centuries, to diminish its concern with 'sin' and the Churches, being made up of members of western society, have followed suit. The Muslim world has not. Women are still seen as wickedly sinful, and tempting men into sin. That is why they wear those all over coverings to hide their bodies, their hair, and often their faces. And the punishment for sin is still violent in the Muslim world. That is why you can be executed for blasphemy or offending God, or doing any number of other things considered sinful under that religion. You can be whipped for drinking alcohol or have your hand cut off for stealing a loaf of bread. You can be stoned to death for adultery. Women in Muslim lands are the chattel of their husbands and fathers, with few, if any rights. And you can imagine what men from these lands think of Canadian women and girls! If they think a woman who shows her hair is a wicked sinner imagine what they think of a girl in a bikini! My daughters have already run across such men at the beach, and their sons at school. Their attitude towards women is appalling. Many see non-Muslim women as nothing more than whores, and whores in Muslim countries, tend to be imprisoned or executed.

Also don't tell me that wife abuse, wife bantering, rape, assaults disrespect for females,... is only among Muslim immigrants

At least we, as a society, are doing our best to address that, to protect women, to punish men who beat women. There are no such efforts in the Muslim world, where courts have actually ruled that the Koran permits men to physically beat their wives and children, within certain boundaries. They are not supposed to bruise their faces, for example.We see honour killings common in many Muslim societies, where young women are murdered by their own families for the suspicion they may not be entirely chaste. These killings are rarely punished because the police do not care what happens to women any more than the courts do.

[Civis Romanus sum]

Good of you to admit Libya should have been left alone.

If Libya had been left 'alone' what do you think would have happened?

[CITIZEN_2015]

Civis Romanus, you clearly exaggerate violence againt women in Muslim countries and try to hide that same issues exist (yes to a lesser extend) in Western societies. I refer you to the statistics on brutally and domestic violence against women right here in Canada. As I said clean up your own backyard before criticizing others as how dirty their backyard is.

[Civis Romanus sum]

Yes lol it is a democracy. The people elect their governments in Muslim countries!!!!!!..

I have seen no real appetite for democracy in the Muslim world. Even where one takes place, usually imposed from outside, the locals only care about which tribe has power and it quickly breaks down.

So based on your post a man can kill his wife (you said anything) and there is no laws against that yes?

You should look into honor killings in the middle east. See if you can find anyone who has been severely punished for murdering their daughter or sister because they thought her behaviour was shameful. Try to find any case where a man was severely punished for beating his wife, much less for raping her. It might happen occasionally. Who knows? But it is a rare thing.

[Civis Romanus sum]

You are insinuating that every Muslim man beats and rapes his wife. So therefore we shouldn't allow them as refugees? Is that what you are saying?

It is always a mistake to use terms like 'every' or 'all' when speaking of a community. But I have to say that my three daughters have had experiences with Muslims and the Muslim boys and men they have met so far are single-minded in their attitudes that girls who are not muslims are there for sex and only for sex. They have no respect for them, and get extremely angry and insulting when turned down because they expect to be welcomed since they believe non-Muslim girls and women are whores.