Hal 9000 Posted August 29, 2015 Report Posted August 29, 2015 People kill themselves, that's a fact of life. Why not provide a safe way out? Do you mean for everybody? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
BC_chick Posted August 29, 2015 Report Posted August 29, 2015 Do you mean for everybody? Within reason, yes. I've known people who spent their entire life in and out of therapy and tried every pill there was, electric shocks, you name and still spent their days crying and hating life. If they wanna go, what's it to you? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Big Guy Posted August 29, 2015 Author Report Posted August 29, 2015 I believe that if/when a person has seriously decided to kill themsleves then they will do it very efficiently. There are thousands of ways to guarantee that you will die, with minimal pain and without outside assistance. I also believe that most suicide "attempts" are cries for help. A person is in that middle zone between absolute despair and a glimmer of hope. They will use an inefficient method allowing "fate" to make the decision. What bothers me the most is those who decide to take others with them - the murder-suicide. I do understand that they are obviously not in their right mind but to take a loved one with you? I am sure that the greatest cause of suicide is our societies reluctance to talk about it. Mental illness is still looked upon by many as cancer was many years ago. It was considered shameful and the person was shunned. To acknowledge a suicide in the family was to have people look at the family as if it had some problematic disease. Even to-day, I notice that often the names of those who commit suicide are not released to the public with no reference in the obituaries. Mental illness is still something that happens to others and never to anyone in your family. Suicide is an inevitable end to untreated mental illness. Once we accept the fact that mental illness is just as valid and painful as any other illness then those affected will seek treatment and those suicide numbers will drop. At this time, for every homicide (murder) in Canada there are 7 suicides. Yet the "law and order" policies soak up our money. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
-1=e^ipi Posted August 29, 2015 Report Posted August 29, 2015 I believe that if/when a person has seriously decided to kill themsleves then they will do it very efficiently. Yes, for example, a few months ago I was trying to figure out which were the tallest publically accessible buildings that I could jump off of. You want to make sure you do it properly. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 29, 2015 Report Posted August 29, 2015 Within reason, yes. I've known people who spent their entire life in and out of therapy and tried every pill there was, electric shocks, you name and still spent their days crying and hating life. If they wanna go, what's it to you? If a person is mentally ill, diminished or irrational (as others have said), are they really capable of making that decision? And if not, should the person who has power of attorney or their guardian be able to make that decision? For example, if in my opinion (or the opinion of a professional) my wife or parent is "diminished", can I make the decision to give them assisted suicide? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Guest Posted August 30, 2015 Report Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) If a person is mentally ill, diminished or irrational (as others have said), are they really capable of making that decision? And if not, should the person who has power of attorney or their guardian be able to make that decision? For example, if in my opinion (or the opinion of a professional) my wife or parent is "diminished", can I make the decision to give them assisted suicide? You seem to want to make the decision to deny them it. I don't care what a person's reasons are, nor what their capacities are. If a medical professional agrees to help, so be it. Edited August 30, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 30, 2015 Report Posted August 30, 2015 If a person is mentally ill, diminished or irrational (as others have said), are they really capable of making that decision? And if not, should the person who has power of attorney or their guardian be able to make that decision? For example, if in my opinion (or the opinion of a professional) my wife or parent is "diminished", can I make the decision to give them assisted suicide? No you can't. That is quite clear from the SC. You could request life support be withdrawn. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 30, 2015 Report Posted August 30, 2015 No you can't. That is quite clear from the SC. You could request life support be withdrawn. But that is the slippery slope that has happened in nearly every country that has legalized it. What makes you think it won't happen here? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted August 30, 2015 Report Posted August 30, 2015 But that is the slippery slope that has happened in nearly every country that has legalized it. What makes you think it won't happen here? What slippery slope? Removing life support in no hope cases has been common practice for decades in Canada. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 30, 2015 Report Posted August 30, 2015 What slippery slope? Removing life support in no hope cases has been common practice for decades in Canada. Removing life support is way different than assisted suicide and light years away from assisted suicide for depression. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted August 30, 2015 Report Posted August 30, 2015 Removing life support is way different than assisted suicide and light years away from assisted suicide for depression. The law does not allow for assisted suicide for depression. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 30, 2015 Report Posted August 30, 2015 The law does not allow for assisted suicide for depression. The medical condition must cause “endless suffering” that is intolerable to the person, although that suffering can be physical or psychological. Stay tuned! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted August 30, 2015 Report Posted August 30, 2015 The medical condition must cause “endless suffering” that is intolerable to the person, although that suffering can be physical or psychological. Stay tuned! Medical condition. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 30, 2015 Report Posted August 30, 2015 Medical condition. What's your point? Are you agreeing or not? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted August 30, 2015 Report Posted August 30, 2015 What's your point? Are you agreeing or not? You must be of sound mind and be suffering something incurable to meet the requirements laid out by the SCC. Quote
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