waldo Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 that the CBC had nothing to do with! Talk about your intellectual dishonesty. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 You see, you bop and weae with this nonsense because the CBC is promoting your side and fooling weak minded Canadians in the process. The ad was a pro-CBC ad. It's a pro-CBC ad but the CBC had no part in making it. Do you understand that? Because we're trying to decide whether your post was a result of lack of honesty or lack of understanding of the English language. It would help if you could clear that up. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
overthere Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 that the CBC had nothing to do with! Talk about your intellectual dishonesty. It's a pro-CBC ad but the CBC had no part in making it. Do you understand that? Because we're trying to decide whether your post was a result of lack of honesty or lack of understanding of the English language. It would help if you could clear that up. Yes, it is hard to imagine how an advocacy group for the CBC could have any supporters at the CBC. It's kind of like how it is just impossible to think that health services unions would have any interest at all in helping out the Friends of Medicare. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
ReeferMadness Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 Yes, it is hard to imagine how an advocacy group for the CBC could have any supporters at the CBC. So. I'm going to type slowly so you get this. If you. Or socialist. Or any of the tinfoil hat-wearing right wing conspiracy crowd have any actual evidence that the CBC had something to do with these ads. Then present it. Otherwise, this entire thread is just a bunch of whining and baseless conspiracy mongering. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
poochy Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 Have you seen them on TV? The CBC refuses to run them. That's because it's become a state broadcaster under Dear Leader. Right, but being paid for by the guild that represents many of the CBC employees, with this as it's stated goal, "To advocate in favour of public broadcasting and a strong, well-funded, pan-Canadian public broadcaster during this federal election, CMG is required by law to register with Elections Canada as a “third party.” http://www.cmg.ca/en/2015/08/14/cmg-registers-as-a-third-party-in-the-federal-election/ doesn't at all matter, and where can we find quotes from CBC personalities complaining about how bad this looks? So what if it isnt on the CBC, its the CMG advocating on behalf of the CBC against the government and if they were at all unbiased the CBC would be aghast by this and begging them to stop putting the ad on tv. Quote
overthere Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 So. I'm going to type slowly so you get this. If you. Or socialist. Or any of the tinfoil hat-wearing right wing conspiracy crowd have any actual evidence that the CBC had something to do with these ads. Then present it. Otherwise, this entire thread is just a bunch of whining and baseless conspiracy mongering. It's hard to imagine how an advocacy group for the CBC could have any supporters at the CBC. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
poochy Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 It's hard to imagine how an advocacy group for the CBC could have any supporters at the CBC. Yes, quite, again, where are all the complaints by the CBC about how bad this makes them look? Maybe they exist, you cant pretend to be unbiased while standing by and letting any group attack the government in your name, not when you are a public broadcaster that allegedly cares about such things, but the reality is, they simply don.t. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 Have you seen them on TV? The CBC refuses to run them. That's because it's become a state broadcaster under Dear Leader. The CBC has always been a state broadcaster. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
ReeferMadness Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 The CBC has always been a state broadcaster. The CBC is a public broadcaster. Google it if you want to understand the difference. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
poochy Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 The CBC is a public broadcaster. Google it if you want to understand the difference. And that distinction makes absolutely no difference in this case, on the CBC or not, these ads should be embarrassing the 'unbiased' CBC, and where do they show that embarrassment? I havent seen it, if they are going along with it, they are just as guilty as if the ads were on the CBC. Quote
Black Dog Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 Yes, it is hard to imagine how an advocacy group for the CBC could have any supporters at the CBC. It's kind of like how it is just impossible to think that health services unions would have any interest at all in helping out the Friends of Medicare. Having supporters at the CBC is not the same as having support from the CBC. The premise here depends on seeing the CBC as a monolith, when in fact it contains hundreds if not thousands of individuals with varying political beliefs and different interests. Quote
Topaz Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 I don't understand why some people have a problem with CBC unless they are still peeved off the SUN TV didn't make it. WHY? It was too American and too bias for Canadians politics. Quote
Black Dog Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 And that distinction makes absolutely no difference in this case, on the CBC or not, these ads should be embarrassing the 'unbiased' CBC, and where do they show that embarrassment? I havent seen it, if they are going along with it, they are just as guilty as if the ads were on the CBC. Why? Quote
Black Dog Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 Self evident. Yes it's self evident that you can't explain your position and are simply parroting the party line on this. Squawk! Quote
PIK Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 Of course the CBC will not run them. Makes it look like that have nothing to do with them. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Black Dog Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 Of course the CBC will not run them. Makes it look like that have nothing to do with them. And you of course have evidence the CBC is is involved, yes? Quote
cybercoma Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 Having supporters at the CBC is not the same as having support from the CBC. The premise here depends on seeing the CBC as a monolith, when in fact it contains hundreds if not thousands of individuals with varying political beliefs and different interests. Not to mention how many people at CBC are contractors, the CBC being their "customer" in a sense. Mark Critch's boss isn't the head of CBC. Quote
poochy Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) "I've just seen the appalling 'Friends of the CBC' ad one time too many - the one where essentially they paint the Government of Canada as murderous thugs similar to the mafia: the one where two men tied to chairs sink as in a mafia hit. It's appalling and they should be ashamed. The broadcasters should refuse to air it. If this group wants to end political influence on CBC there is a simple way to do it: refuse the more than a billion dollars a year of tax payer money they receive and earn their own way as other networks are required to do. Take that commercial away." General Rick Hillier, from FB Not only should broadcasters refuse to air it, the CBC should be loudly condemning it, and no matter how purposefully obtuse some are determined to be, it is a disgrace that the CBC is standing by and letting this happen in their name while pretending to be an unbiased public broadcaster. Edited August 26, 2015 by poochy Quote
Black Dog Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 Not only should broadcasters refuse to air it, the CBC should be loudly condemning it, and no matter how purposefully obtuse some are determined to be, it is a disgrace that the CBC is standing by and letting this happen in their name while pretending to be an unbiased public broadcaster. Why? The CBC is not affiliated with the organization putting these ads out. Quote
PIK Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 Why? The CBC is not affiliated with the organization putting these ads out. But it is all about the CBC. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Black Dog Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 But it is all about the CBC. What is all about the CBC? The ads and the lobby group behind them? Well, duh. If you're implying the CBC itself is behind these things, though, you're gonna need to back that up. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 What is all about the CBC? The ads and the lobby group behind them? Well, duh. If you're implying the CBC itself is behind these things, though, you're gonna need to back that up. When you see the world as a vast conspiracy, the distinction between the CBC and people out there who like the CBC enough to volunteer their time and money to fight for it is academic. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
overthere Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 I don't understand why some people have a problem with CBC unless they are still peeved off the SUN TV didn't make it. WHY? It was too American and too bias for Canadians politics. My one and only problem with the CBC is its annual massive subsidy to provide entertainment and news. Entertainment and news are commodities that I can and do purchase on the open market. CBC is heavily subsidized by taxpayers. If CBC supporters love the network, let them put their money where their mouth is, and pay for it themselves. I do just this already with another public broadcaster(and one that is actually older than the CBC) . It is a business model that works fine. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Black Dog Posted August 26, 2015 Report Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) My one and only problem with the CBC is its annual massive subsidy to provide entertainment and news. Entertainment and news are commodities that I can and do purchase on the open market. CBC is heavily subsidized by taxpayers. In terms of per capita funding, the CBC is one of the least subsidized public broadcasters in the western world. I should also point out that Canada's private television industry also receive large government subsidies that end up benefiting private broadcasters: would you argue against those as well? If CBC supporters love the network, let them put their money where their mouth is, and pay for it themselves. That would effectively kill the CBC, so why not just have the courage of your convictions and do that? I do just this already with another public broadcaster(and one that is actually older than the CBC) . It is a business model that works fine. Which one is that? If it's PBS or NPR, we're talking apples and oranges. Edited August 26, 2015 by Black Dog Quote
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