Scotty Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 Then have your preacher put the word into you sunday morning sermon if you like. It will have no valuable effect in a government pamphlet. Nurder is illegal in this country and has been for quite some time. I suspect most immigrants know that. How many honor killings do you actually think there are here? Hint...about 1 a year. And they are prosecuted just like a drunk white guy who beats the old lady to death because she screwed around on him. And how many girls within the Muslim community mutilate their daughter so she won't become a whore like western girls? We don't know. It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 It doesn't say "barbaric practices"... it says, "barbaric cultural practices". So what? It's nothing to do with a culture? It's just an occasional thing done by fanatics? 92% of women in Egypt have been subjected to genital mutilation. You don't call that a cultural practice? http://www.ibtimes.com/female-genital-mutilation-egypt-has-affected-92-percent-married-women-1917516 It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 you know where you can stuff your strawman, hey! How is it a 'strawman' to ask you what your position is?? It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 You're saying their culture and nationality are the reason for this act and that distinguishes them from our culture and nationality. But is that the case? Yes. If 92% of the adult women in a culture, as in Egypt, have been subjected to genital mutilation I think we can safely say that this is part of the culture and nationality. And if somewhere between 70%-90% of women in Pakistan are subjected to domestic abuse I think we can safely say that is part of their culture and nationality too. It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
BubberMiley Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 The CPC should make coffee illegal. Then there would always be a way to charge people you want to charge when you don't have any actual crimes to charge them with. "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Scotty Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 There doesn't need to be a cultural judgment of the practices whatsoever. In a strictly legal sense, arranged marriages, FGM, "honour" killing, etc. are illegal. Full stop. They're not acceptable here and will land someone in prison. That's all they need to know. We don't need to be making cultural pronouncements, particularly when a lot of these people are trying to escape those cultural practices to begin with. Telling someone they come from a barbarian culture is insulting beyond just condemning horrific acts of violence that are not acceptable here. That's the problem. You have no evidence that a lot of immigrants are trying to escape such things. You have no evidence a substantial number of immigrants come to Canada to reject the cultural and religious practices of their homeland. These are barbaric cultural practices, and by telling them that we make it crystal clear that this isn't just a matter of a 'stupid law' that was put in place, but that we completely reject and denounce a culture or value system which says it's okay to do anything you want to women, however violent. No, you can't marry them off as children against their will. No, you can't beat them or cut them so they don't enjoy sex. All that crap from your homeland is barbaric and if you're going to stay here you need to reject it too. It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 the issue is, you've just repeated, again, the same thing as stated directly in the Harper Conservative brochure/pamphlet... although its been repeated many times through this thread, again, this is the exact statement: "barbaric cultural practices that tolerate spousal abuse, “honour killings,” female genital mutilation, forced marriage or other gender-based violence" But it IS barbaric cultural practices which tolerate such things, the cultural practice of identifying women and anything about women which smacks of sexuality or independence as anathema. It is the barbaric cultural practice which sees women of any age, and their sexuality as owned by their husbands and families, and not by the women themselves. And it is the barbaric cultural practice of enforcing men's possession of that sexuality by force to preserve his 'honor'. Calling such practices barbaric tells them we don't think it's honorable at all. You're not going to be a martyr when you go to jail for doing any of that here, just a criminal. It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 Our laws are not our culture. Our laws change with the stroke of a pen. Exactly. Which is why just saying this is against the law isn't enough. We need to make it abundantly clear that in our society and culture we completely reject the whole mindset behind all these practices, regardless of whether it comes from culture or nationality or religion. And that if they're going to come and live here they damn well better reject it too. It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
On Guard for Thee Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 Why? Do you think they'll be offended for some reason? Already stated, but just to catch you up, yes.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 And how many girls within the Muslim community mutilate their daughter so she won't become a whore like western girls? We don't know. So if you don't know, why bother displaying your ignorance.
WestCoastRunner Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 Do you have some examples where entire families got together to murder their wives or daughters in this part of the world? Other than Muslims, I mean? Oh let's see. Schoenberg killed his 3 children in bc Gosling killed gf and 3 kids in SK Janzen killed daughter, wife and sister in bc Would you like more stats of domestic killings in Canada committed by non Muslims. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 What do they call cutting off girls' clitorises in the western world? What is your point here? I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 Oh let's see. Schoenberg killed his 3 children in bc Gosling killed gf and 3 kids in SK Janzen killed daughter, wife and sister in bc Would you like more stats of domestic killings in Canada committed by non Muslims. Careful now, you are unraveling the basis of his bigotry.
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 And how many girls within the Muslim community mutilate their daughter so she won't become a whore like western girls? We don't know. We do know. There's all kinds of information on FGM if you choose to look it up. The practice seems to be mostly in East African states from Egypt down to Somalia and also around Guinea in West Africa. There's records on the percentage of women who go through it. There's also all kinds of information written about the ethnic breakdown of the people who practice it, showing that there are certain ethnicities within countries who practice it while others do not, despite them all being Muslim. So "the Muslim" community does not practice FGM. Particular cultures and ethnicities of Muslim people do, chiefly in Africa.
WestCoastRunner Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 We do know. There's all kinds of information on FGM if you choose to look it up. The practice seems to be mostly in East African states from Egypt down to Somalia and also around Guinea in West Africa. There's records on the percentage of women who go through it. There's also all kinds of information written about the ethnic breakdown of the people who practice it, showing that there are certain ethnicities within countries who practice it while others do not, despite them all being Muslim. So "the Muslim" community does not practice FGM. Particular cultures and ethnicities of Muslim people do, chiefly in Africa. And it's mostly practiced by isolated communities or communities without strong literate leaders. That won't happen in Canada. But by all means let's cry 'the sky is falling'. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Guest Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) And it's mostly practiced by isolated communities or communities without strong literate leaders. That won't happen in Canada. But by all means let's cry 'the sky is falling'. It happens in the UK. I don't see why Canada should be different. Well, maybe if there are warnings about barbaric cultural practices it might be. Edited September 10, 2015 by bcsapper
WestCoastRunner Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 It happens in the UK. I don't see why Canada should be different. Well, maybe if there are warnings about barbaric cultural practices it might be. We have laws against that sort of activity and there is no reason to believe they won't be enforced. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 These are barbaric cultural practices, and by telling them that we make it crystal clear that this isn't just a matter of a 'stupid law' that was put in place, but that we completely reject and denounce a culture or value system which says it's okay to do anything you want to women, however violent. So you don't denounce the practices? You just denounce everything about their culture and that's despite the fact that women face all kinds of violence here as well.
Guest Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 We have laws against that sort of activity and there is no reason to believe they won't be enforced. There are lots of reasons to believe they won't get a chance to be enforced. A law has to be seen to be broken to be enforced. It also has to be reported, and as we have seen in the UK in other cases, if it is seen to be broken by the wrong people, it doesn't get reported.
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 It happens in the UK. And are they prosecuted?
Guest Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 And are they prosecuted? Not the last time I looked. I haven't kept up though.
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 Not the last time I looked. I haven't kept up though. So you're telling me FGM is legal in the UK? Is that what you're saying?
Guest Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 So you're telling me FGM is legal in the UK? Is that what you're saying? No, I'm most definitely not saying that.
WestCoastRunner Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 There are lots of reasons to believe they won't get a chance to be enforced. A law has to be seen to be broken to be enforced. It also has to be reported, and as we have seen in the UK in other cases, if it is seen to be broken by the wrong people, it doesn't get reported. There are ways this act can be detected via hospitals and doctors. Wouldn't you rather protect these females to the best of our ability through whatever means. I'm not sure what your paranoia is all about and what it has to do with refugees. Canada has an obligation to provide humanitarian aid to these refugees. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Guest Posted September 10, 2015 Report Posted September 10, 2015 There are ways this act can be detected via hospitals and doctors. Wouldn't you rather protect these females to the best of our ability through whatever means. I'm not sure what your paranoia is all about and what it has to do with refugees. Canada has an obligation to provide humanitarian aid to these refugees. What paranoia? If you're going to argue at least argue honestly.
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