socialist Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 This means the nation could be in store for a post-election Donald Trump type leadership race - I can't wait. As long as we get someone politically correct to appease you, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 It's hard to think of a western government with more economic problems than Greece. It's got immense budget deficits and huge unemployment. But with socialists, other things are more important. So last week Greece's socialist government ordered Eldorado Gold Mines to shut down several mines it has been working on in Greece, and to lay off thousands of employees there. The socialists and environmentalists have been steadfastly opposed to gold mining for some time now - economics be damned. Well, Greeks, right? But then I came across this story about all the incredible bureacracy Kinder Morgan has been going through for the last two years trying to expand its Trans Mountain pipeline. And I note the NDP are opposed to this and just about any other pipelines, and have made statements suggesting that - economy be damned, they still want to close, or at least, curtail production in the oil sands (and likely everywhere else too). http://business.financialpost.com/news/energy/a-case-of-too-much-public-input-kinder-morgans-trans-mountain-pipeline-enters-final-review-stage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) It's hard to think of a western government with more economic problems than Greece. It's got immense budget deficits and huge unemployment. But with socialists, other things are more important. So last week Greece's socialist government ordered Eldorado Gold Mines to shut down several mines it has been working on in Greece, and to lay off thousands of employees there. The socialists and environmentalists have been steadfastly opposed to gold mining for some time now - economics be damned. The NDP, the oh so innocent NDP. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/ndp-mp-pat-martin-used-donations-unions-pay-210359545.html Edited August 23, 2015 by socialist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 And the reason I would vote NDP is because all past conservative and liberal governments have been in power and self serving (though this conservative party wins the Gold in all these) but NDP has never formed a government at Federal level and now for the first time ever they have a chance to do so. So lets give them a chance and hopefully they won't be as bad as the governments we have had over the past many decades. Crossing my fingers. Ontario gave Bob Rae a chance,remember how that turned out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vega Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) Shame about the NDP, I don't know why Mulcair wants to turn right. If he would have kept what Layton had going, it would have been fine. I don't want to be too critical before the manifesto comes out, but its not looking goos?? Edited August 23, 2015 by Vega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Amazing. God bless you. I initially thought you were trolling. You were insufferable back when I was here. Glad you burst out of that shell. I'd love to talk to you about it. Leaping from one insufferable extreme to another seems just as extremely insufferable, but to each their own I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Ontario gave Bob Rae a chance,remember how that turned out? The Irony is I'd take Bob Rae back in a heartbeat rather than endure more of Kathleen McGuinty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Think about it folks. The NDP daycare plan will cost you higher Federal taxes and Provincial Taxes. You have to ask yourself, do you really want to pay all this extra money to take care of your neighbour's children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) Think about it folks. The NDP daycare plan will cost you higher Federal taxes and Provincial Taxes. You have to ask yourself, do you really want to pay all this extra money to take care of your neighbour's children? If it gets moms working rather than sitting at home taking care of kids I'm all for it. Edited August 26, 2015 by PrimeNumber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Just saw this on my suggested feed. Thought I'd share it in here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz48r9uROG0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 If it gets moms working rather than sitting at home taking care of kids I'm all for it. So you think kids are better off away from their parents in favor of paid statist caregivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 So you think kids are better off away from their parents in favor of paid statist caregivers? Some for sure. My parents had no choice but to both work when I was young so I spent most of my life up to the age of 11 at day cares and babysitters. There were many children there with me, I still know some of them. We all turned out fine. I got to see my parents at night and on weekends. Never thought anything of it and I'm sure they were just happy they could provide for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Think about it folks. The NDP daycare plan will cost you higher Federal taxes and Provincial Taxes. You have to ask yourself, do you really want to pay all this extra money to take care of your neighbour's children? And when parents are working they are making/spending money, therefore generating economic activity and, paying taxes. Mulcair claims he can show were the returns actually ore than offset the costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 If it gets moms working rather than sitting at home taking care of kids I'm all for it. "Gets them"??? You think mothers should be forced to not stay home to take care of their own kids? Besides, Moms can work without state run daycare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 "Gets them"??? You think mothers should be forced to not stay home to take care of their own kids? Besides, Moms can work without state run daycare. No one is forced to do anything, not sure where you got that from, It's their choice weather they want to use them or even work at all. You think the righties would be all over this. Heck the moms could even apply for a job at the daycare, get two birds stoned at once. Sure moms can work without state run daycare but they'd have to find someone to look after their kids either way. Most parents just stick their kids in front of a tv these days anyways I don't see a whole lot of actual parenting going on. Might as well get them working, at least part time. Generate some economic activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 This will help out the wealthy people. Cheap day care so the mothers can go shopping and enjoy the day without the kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 So you think kids are better off away from their parents in favor of paid statist caregivers? Aren't you one of those "statist caregivers" or is being a teacher not part of your new schtick, Mr.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Aren't you one of those "statist caregivers" or is being a teacher not part of your new schtick, Mr.? When I was heavily invested in Marxism, yes, that is what I one believed. That kind of thinking was hammered into me at university. I blindly believed it. Now I know I was dead wrong. I don't have a schtick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) Are you not a teacher still? Or did you give up that part of your act here? Edited August 26, 2015 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 This will help out the wealthy people. Cheap day care so the mothers can go shopping and enjoy the day without the kids. If that's your yardstick then you must be heavily against Harper's income splitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 That helps a lot more then just the rich. And it not going to cost us billions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 If it gets moms working rather than sitting at home taking care of kids I'm all for it. Reminds me of the absurdity of the American Right (which is where Harper&co. get their ideas) which tries to remove the reproductive choices from young women, and with the same hand denies any responsibility for the welfare of those children after birth and onward. That's why the right can create an endless supply of money to blow shit up or build their vanity projects, but daycare...the horror! The results betray the obvious strategy: re-establish and solidify patriarchy by keeping women chained to child-rearing and have to choose: 1. dependency on a man to provide for them and their children. or the option left for the underclass: 2. raise those children in poverty on minimum wage and consign them to a life of minimal parental involvement, bad schools, bad employment prospects in adulthood including a high likelihood of being subject to the law enforcement/ incarceration complex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 And when did harper do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/ndp-pulls-policy-book-from-its-website-to-make-way-for-tom-mulcairs-election-platform So mulcair has had his people take down their policies off of the web, it seems tommy has other ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 it seems tommy has other ideas. as I just replied to you in another concurrently running thread where you also used your "tommy" reference: please sir... your "tommy" reference is not an appropriate name descriptor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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