Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Author Report Posted August 10, 2015 http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/08/31/canada-sent-millions-to-syrian-rebels How does it equate? Because the vast majority of these rebels are Sunni Islamists that want to take over the world. But Obama, Harper, Cameron and others did not take the threat of fanatical Islamists seriously enough. I would say that they funded groups which were not fanatic in hopes that they would prevail against the fanatics. I think it's a stretch to say this funded ISIS. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Author Report Posted August 10, 2015 The way that when you rely so heavily on that price and then it goes in the dumper, and probably long term. But there's still no evidence he ignored other industries in favour of the oil industry It's true the oil industry got us through the great recession with little damage, but he'd have been quite happy if world prices for gold, copper, zink and iron were to have set off a boom in mining and commodities, I assure you. And I don't know of any help he offered the oil industry which wasn't available for the rest. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 on guard for thee: I read the same article, but what you fail to mention that it also said that the retrieving of said resources would not be cost effective....so my question to you is how much of these resources has been pulled out of the ground by the Canadian government.....or a Canadian company .....has any of it been pulled from the ground by anyone...... Could the survey been done to assist the country of Afghan... How much of these resources went into the coffers of any coalition pockets......Jaccee made a very powerful statement, stating that our involve was corporate driven....and you seem to agree, so perhaps one of you can provide a source that would prove that theory..... It should be obvious that it may not be cost effective to open a mine in the middle of a war zone as ISAF is gearing down. However it was certainly convenient to have them there as cover while USGS did their surveys. It's not like the stuff is going anywhere and when it's needed those survey maps can be dusted off at any time. Quote
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Author Report Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) Army guy, they don't want us to figure out that that's why they spent our money sending soldiers to Afghanistan. It's a secret. . It's a conspiracy, I yell ya! Just like Elvis is still alive and the World Trade Centre was blown down by martians! Edited August 10, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 But there's still no evidence he ignored other industries in favour of the oil industry It's true the oil industry got us through the great recession with little damage, but he'd have been quite happy if world prices for gold, copper, zink and iron were to have set off a boom in mining and commodities, I assure you. And I don't know of any help he offered the oil industry which wasn't available for the rest. Why do you suppose Harper fired thousands of government scientists, muzzled the rest, and ignored the realities of GHG emissions, if not to favor the oil industry? Quote
Army Guy Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 Army guy, they don't want us to figure out that that's why they spent our money sending soldiers to Afghanistan. It's a secret. . Maybe i've been away from the board for to long, maybe this is your way of having a little laugh at my expense....maybe you hav'nt taken your meds, not sure.....for now you continue with your fantasy, i think the sane members here will clearly see it's a tin foil theory..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
PIK Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 The old secret agenda. Some people just cant get a grip on reality. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Army Guy Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 It should be obvious that it may not be cost effective to open a mine in the middle of a war zone as ISAF is gearing down. However it was certainly convenient to have them there as cover while USGS did their surveys. It's not like the stuff is going anywhere and when it's needed those survey maps can be dusted off at any time. I can't believe that you are putting your name to this theory as well, This theory might have some trurth if the Afghan government was not aware of what lay below there nation.....and yet the US and China are talking with the Afghan government in ref to uranium....so much for the big secret......we'll just leave it in the ground and come back later for it........because that makes sense....which leads to this question why we the US spend more than whats in the ground ...just on surveys.....then quit the mission why did they not just expand the mission to allow for minning..... but like jacee you can not provide any sources to support you claim.....i know its all a big secret...... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Author Report Posted August 10, 2015 Why do you suppose Harper fired thousands of government scientists, muzzled the rest, and ignored the realities of GHG emissions, if not to favor the oil industry? That is one of the weirdest responses I've ever gotten to a post. I'm confused about how it's even related to what I said. Can you tell me how many government scientists he 'fired' by the way? Other than "thousands!". I'd like a source, too. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) That is one of the weirdest responses I've ever gotten to a post. I'm confused about how it's even related to what I said. Can you tell me how many government scientists he 'fired' by the way? Other than "thousands!". I'd like a source, too. It's just over 2000 and i've already posted a cite here some time ago. Here's another one far ya. http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/research-cutbacks-by-government-alarm-scientists-1.2490081 Edited August 10, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 I would say that they funded groups which were not fanatic in hopes that they would prevail against the fanatics. I think it's a stretch to say this funded ISIS. This is highly debatable. But let's suppose this claim is true for the sake of argument, at best you are indirectly helping the Islamist rebels because you are weakening the Assad regime, which is fighting the Islamists. Quote
Evening Star Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 Tell us, guys, what would Canada have to do to meet its targets? Yeah, I don't even really get the furore over McQuaig's comments. What is the alternative to leaving some of the oil in the ground? Pumping all of it out until none is left? Quote
poochy Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 Ridiculous. Most of Canadian businesses are small-medium, good citizens and employers and contributors to society. Large corporations, however, are often monstrous predators without conscience or humanity. . You dont know what you stand for, that is clear. Quote
poochy Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Country-Profiles/Countries-A-F/Canada--Uranium/ Since Uranium was specifically mentioned, it seems we dont need any more of it, but im sure that's the 'corporately controlled' version of the truth. Quote
jacee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Country-Profiles/Countries-A-F/Canada--Uranium/ Since Uranium was specifically mentioned, it seems we dont need any more of it, but im sure that's the 'corporately controlled' version of the truth. I'm sure somebody wants to buy it. . Quote
poochy Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 Why do you suppose Harper fired thousands of government scientists, muzzled the rest, and ignored the realities of GHG emissions, if not to favor the oil industry? What information are you missing, maybe we could help? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 Yeah, I don't even really get the furore over McQuaig's comments. What is the alternative to leaving some of the oil in the ground? Pumping all of it out until none is left? Yeah it seems to me the pro Harper crowd doesn't get the fact that there is a last barrel of the crap, and that we will look a bit stupid if we keep digging until we hit it, while others will have developed renewables. Quote
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Author Report Posted August 10, 2015 Yeah it seems to me the pro Harper crowd doesn't get the fact that there is a last barrel of the crap, and that we will look a bit stupid if we keep digging until we hit it, while others will have developed renewables. Gee, aren't you lefties always telling us how renewables and alternate energy sources are coming on so strong that soon oil will be worthless? Wouldn't it be stupid keeping it in the ground for the next seventy years to where renewables and alternate energy sources make it much less valuable? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) Gee, aren't you lefties always telling us how renewables and alternate energy sources are coming on so strong that soon oil will be worthless? Wouldn't it be stupid keeping it in the ground for the next seventy years to where renewables and alternate energy sources make it much less valuable?It's only about the money to you?No. It's about the environmental damage done by the extraction and burning of fossil fuels. . Edited August 10, 2015 by jacee Quote
GostHacked Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 It's only about the money to you? No. It's about the environmental damage done by the extraction and burning of fossil fuels. . It's about money for those who control the oil. This is part of the reason renewables have not made the impact they should have had. Quote
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Author Report Posted August 10, 2015 It's only about the money to you? No. It's about the environmental damage done by the extraction and burning of fossil fuels. . Money is blood to a country. If you have none, you die. That oil money was why our unemployment rate didn't go into double digits in the recession and why the government didn't have to drastically slash health care, education and social spending like Chretien did. And without that oil money our economy goes backward, and we either run up ever higher deficits like the Greeks, or we drastically slash all social spending. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 10, 2015 Author Report Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) It's about money for those who control the oil. This is part of the reason renewables have not made the impact they should have had. Well, that and using even a modest amount of them hugely increases the cost of power. There are a lot of poor families in Ontario now who can barely heat their homes in the winter because of the Liberals' ideological pursuit of green power. Mind you, since the Liberals are a party of the upper middle class, comfy, cozy public servants and professionals, they don't have to worry about paying the heating and power bills. Edited August 10, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted August 10, 2015 Report Posted August 10, 2015 Money is blood to a country. If you have none, you die. That oil money was why our unemployment rate didn't go into double digits in the recession and why the government didn't have to drastically slash health care, education and social spending like Chretien did. And without that oil money our economy goes backward, and we either run up ever higher deficits like the Greeks, or we drastically slash all social spending. Bullarky. You didn't address the issue I raised at all. . Quote
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