On Guard for Thee Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 I don't understand the outrage, she was put in jail and decided to kill herself. She looked pretty unstable at the arrest site and proved it by hanging herself. Maybe society could've helped her earlier, but the cop pegged her as unstable...and guess what? She was. The outrage is she should never have been put in jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 The outrage is she should never have been put in jail. Many people shouldn't be put in jail, and they get their day in court to prove it. If you decide not to follow the orders given to by a cop, should he just send you on your way? Hmmm, this might be a good strategy, act like a hysterical lunatic and the cop must let you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 Many people shouldn't be put in jail, and they get their day in court to prove it. If you decide not to follow the orders given to by a cop, should he just send you on your way? Hmmm, this might be a good strategy, act like a hysterical lunatic and the cop must let you go. Should you not be entitled to question if the order the cop is giving you is lawful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 If a cop asks you to get out of the car, you get out of the car. One way or another, you're getting out of the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 If a cop asks you to get out of the car, you get out of the car. One way or another, you're getting out of the car. Yep...you can do it the easy way....or you can do it the hard way...like Bland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 Yep...you can do it the easy way....or you can do it the hard way...like Bland. Why does the USA hate freedom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 Why does the USA hate freedom? It's exactly the same here - exactly the same! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 Should you not be entitled to question if the order the cop is giving you is lawful? The police take away your belt and shoes for a reason, they know this could happen. What will come of this is more restrictions in the jail cells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 police a. A body of government employees trained in methods of law enforcement and crime prevention and detection and authorized to maintain the peace, safety, and order of the community. "authorized to maintain the peace, safety, and order of the community". The cop was doing what he is required to do, police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 It is totally applicable. It would have been applicable if he had stopped her, written her a ticket, then tried to get her to stay while he searched the car or brought in a dog to smell it. And even then it would only be applicable in denying the fruits of the search. But none of that happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 Red herring! White lives have always mattered more, as police are less likely to stop, arrest and shoot whites than blacks. Well, Whites are less likely to be involved in crime than Blacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 The outrage is she should never have been put in jail. Because she was Black, you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 I practiced getting out of my car today...it wasn't difficult. But then again, I am not a doper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 Should you not be entitled to question if the order the cop is giving you is lawful? Since most people have no idea what is or is not a lawful order, for the most part, no. Nor can you tell him to stand there and wait while you call your lawyer. This is not rocket science. When you're told to get out of the damn car, you get out of the damn car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 I hate quoting wikipedia, but this is probably as likely a scenario as anything else offered. Suicide by cop is a suicide method in which a suicidal individual deliberately behaves in a threatening manner, with the goal being to provoke a lethal response from a law enforcement officer.[1] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 Should you not be entitled to question if the order the cop is giving you is lawful? Nobody says you can't question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Nobody says you can't question. As long as you do what your told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 It would have been applicable if he had stopped her, written her a ticket, then tried to get her to stay while he searched the car or brought in a dog to smell it. And even then it would only be applicable in denying the fruits of the search. But none of that happened. Nope. It would be applicable in that the cop extended the detainment for no apparent reason. None shows in the video, and none was discussed by the cop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Because she was Black, you mean? Being black has nothing to do with the law. It may have something to do with the actions of the cop. You'll have to ask him about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Since most people have no idea what is or is not a lawful order, for the most part, no. Nor can you tell him to stand there and wait while you call your lawyer. This is not rocket science. When you're told to get out of the damn car, you get out of the damn car. Well that's up to you. I don't know why the righties seem to think that because you hang a tin badge and a blue shirt on someone that you should surrender your lawful rights to them. But go ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Nobody says you can't question. She tried to question and he went nuts on her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 She tried to question and he went nuts on her. Really, you don't think she was a little unreasonable? I can tell you first hand, if she was a man, she wouldn't have been given so many chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Really, you don't think she was a little unreasonable? I can tell you first hand, if she was a man, she wouldn't have been given so many chances. Her activities were completely within her rights, including continuing to smoke. His were in excess of his authority. I see the family has launched a suit and the dashcam video will help insure they win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 If they were to win a wrongful death case, it'll be because she had implants in her cell that she used to whack herself - not because she was taken into custody. She was obviously mentally unstable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Disorderly conduct, obstruction and harassment are arrestable offences - you choose. Then she followed up with resisting arrest. I think she even kicked and spit on him, but i'm not really sure. He could've thought (and why not) that she on drugs. No, she deserved to go to jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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