Happy Dominion Day

[Michael Hardner]

Americanada Day will celebrate the final manifest destiny when our peoples unite, and the liberal mindset proclaims ultimate victory with healthcare, gun control and pragmatic socialism claim their final and glorious peoples' victory.

[Moonlight Graham]

Go back to school. This time, take a history class.

What's incorrect about what I said?

[Shady]

Dominion changed their name to Metro. Do we want to have Metro day ? How about Diversity Day ? That would make everyone happy.

Let me know when you want to discuss something like an adult. Your passive aggressive childish shtick whenever you deem something to be beneath your level is tiresome.

[Shady]

No, its a commonwealth

Fine, Commonwealth Day.

[Argus]

No, its a commonwealth

No, it's actually not. It's a part of the Commonwealth as it is a part of Les Francophonie

[Michael Hardner]

Let me know when you want to discuss something like an adult. Your passive aggressive childish shtick whenever you deem something to be beneath your level is tiresome.

Shady, this is a pretty light topic I think. Canada Day is a fine term, as would be Dominion Day. I think we can discuss some things relevant to the importance of the subject, which for this one would be close to nil. I'm having a little fun with it, is all, but sorry to offend. I'll be serious on this one moving forward.

Cheers....

[Argus]

What's incorrect about what I said?

When Canada was created it was deemed a Dominion to distinguish it from a Republic (US) or a Monarchy (UK). It was an entirely appropriate designation given the psalm from the bible. Being a dominion has nothing to do with whether or not we have independence from the British or not.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Argus

[Michael Hardner]

Interestingly, the Quebec government site (English Version) doesn't call July 1st Canada day, or anything.

The French site calls it Fête du Canada.

http://www.cnt.gouv.qc.ca/conges-et-absences/jours-feries/index.html

[eyeball]

I'm celebrating @ double time and a half today. Ka-ching!

[Argus]

Shady, this is a pretty light topic I think. Canada Day is a fine term, as would be Dominion Day. I think we can discuss some things relevant to the importance of the subject, which for this one would be close to nil. I'm having a little fun with it, is all, but sorry to offend. I'll be serious on this one moving forward.

To me, the change to the banal 'Canada day' is symbolic of the Quebec controlled Liberal party of the day's attempt to destroy Canada and its institutions and erase any and all part of its history which detracted from the sense of smug superiority Quebec's Francophones felt towards the English.

[Michael Hardner]

I'm celebrating @ double time and a half today. Ka-ching!

? I thought you were self-employed ?

[Michael Hardner]

To me, the change to the banal 'Canada day' is symbolic of the Quebec controlled Liberal party ...

That was 1982, right ? I don't think I have heard anybody complain about it since maybe that time.

You're free to pine for the days when our taxonomy better suited a colony, and I respect the longing for tradition. But traditions are dying all around us, so adapt and enjoy I say...

[BubberMiley]

I'll be serious on this one moving forward.

All humour offends someone, but I don't think it's all that offensive to make fun of the idea that the name "Canada Day" is too Quebecois.

[eyeball]

? I thought you were self-employed ?

I was but DFO/MAFF took all the fun and profit out of that.

[cybercoma]

When Canada was created it was deemed a Dominion to distinguish it from a Republic (US) or a Monarchy (UK). It was an entirely appropriate designation given the psalm from the bible. Being a dominion has nothing to do with whether or not we have independence from the British or not.

It would have been Kingdom of Canada, but the British didn't want to antagonize the traitors to the south of us by naming it that, so they called it Dominion instead. The name has everything to do with being a holding of the British Empire, which we are no longer. The Constitution Act of 1867 stated, "Whereas the Provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick have expressed their Desire to be federally united into One Dominion under the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, with a Constitution similar in Principle to that of the United Kingdom..." Today, our Queen is the Queen of Canada, not the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. The Queen of Canada is a distinct political and legal entity from the Queen of the United Kingdom. Under the Balfour Declaration of 1926 dominions were defined as an "autonomous community within the British Empire." As of 1982, we were no longer within the British Empire but completely sovereign. One historian, whose name I can't remember off hand argued that we were no longer a dominion when our parliament unilaterally declared war on Germany in 1939. He argues that this was our first act as an independent nation from the British Monarchy. I'll take your point (that you didn't make) that the dominion title was never officially removed–the government just stopped mentioning it. Given the definition of dominion and why that name was applied to Canada, we are no longer a dominion in any arguable way. We have our own Canadian constitution and our own Canadian monarchy, independent of the British monarchy. Edited July 1, 2015 by cybercoma

[msj]

I'm having a little fun with it, is all, but sorry to offend. I'll be serious on this one moving forward.Cheers....

It's all fun and games till someone gets hurt and then MH has to get all politically correct.

I was enjoying the fun while it lasted so thanks MH.

[cybercoma]

It's all fun and games till someone gets hurt and then MH has to get all politically correct.

I was enjoying the fun while it lasted so thanks MH.

CENSORSHIP!

Am I doing this right?

[Michael Hardner]

It's all fun and games till someone gets hurt and then MH has to get all politically correct.

Well far be it for me to offend anyone

[Moonlight Graham]

The name has everything to do with being a holding of the British Empire, which we are no longer. The Constitution Act of 1867 stated, "Whereas the Provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick have expressed their Desire to be federally united into One Dominion under the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, with a Constitution similar in Principle to that of the United Kingdom..." Today, our Queen is the Queen of Canada, not the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. The Queen of Canada is a distinct political and legal entity from the Queen of the United Kingdom. Under the Balfour Declaration of 1926 dominions were defined as an "autonomous community within the British Empire." As of 1982, we were no longer within the British Empire but completely sovereign. One historian, whose name I can't remember off hand argued that we were no longer a dominion when our parliament unilaterally declared war on Germany in 1939. He argues that this was our first act as an independent nation from the British Monarchy. I'll take your point (that you didn't make) that the dominion title was never officially removed–the government just stopped mentioning it. Given the definition of dominion and why that name was applied to Canada, we are no longer a dominion in any arguable way. We have our own Canadian constitution and our own Canadian monarchy, independent of the British monarchy.

You are exactly correct in all of this. And yes, the title "Dominion" has never officially been removed. At the same time, it was never used in the Charter of the RIghts and Freedoms, our government doesn't use the title any more, the UN specifically refers to our country as "Canada" with and as you say, Canadian legally doesn't fit under the definition of a "dominion" any more.

From Wikipedia:

Until the 1950s, the term Dominion of Canada was commonly used to identify the country. As Canada acquired political authority and autonomy from the United Kingdom, the federal government began using simply Canada on state documents. The transition away from the use of Dominion was formally reflected in 1982 with the passage of the Canada Act, which refers only to Canada. Later that year, the national holiday was renamed from Dominion Day to Canada Day. Section 4 of the 1867 BNA Act also declares that: Unless it is otherwise expressed or implied, the Name Canada shall be taken to mean Canada as constituted under this Act.

This has been interpreted to mean that the name of the country is simply Canada. No constitutional statute amends this name, and the subsequent Canada Act 1982 does not use the term dominion. However, the Canadian constitution includes the preceding BNA Acts, where the term is used; also, the Canada Act 1982 does not state that Canada is not a dominion.

[Second-class Canadian]

Happy Dominion day, everyone.

Question. How do I correct the misspelling in my user name?

[Second-class Canadian]

My user name is corrected. Thank you.

Now as for the belief that the British built Canada, I have a different understanding (anyone please feel free to correct me): The British in collusion with the French administered the building of Canada.

Starting at Confederation, Parliament, dominated mostly by the British and the French, recognizing Canada's military weakness and inability to wage a US-style war against the indigenous peoples, decided to enter into treaties it never intended to live by while establishing the residential school system at the same time.

With the British being the dominant group in Parliament, immigration policy favored British immigration though it did accept Chinese, German, Ukrainian and other immigration as required to build Canada. The French tolerated this because of the French birthrates.Though the Canadian Government appreciated the Chinese cheap labour to build the Trans-Canada railway, it soon turned on them with the Chinese Exclusion Act.

Parliament had also gotten the Germans to build Yonge street in what is today Toronto in exchange for land. Once the road was built though, Parliament reneged on its side of the bargain. The Germans sent one representative to London to plead with the Crown directly. The Crown agreed with them but acknowledged it had no power to do anything about it. Many Germans died of starvation in the following year.

After the Federal Government invited Germans to build Berlin, Ontario (now Kitchener: nothing like historical revisionism!) and Ukrainians to build the prairies, provincial governments then revoked their right to send their children to school in their languages after WWI. How's that for bait and switch?

By the 1960s, French birthrates had declined, indigenous and other Canadians were starting to organize politically, and the residential school system, having reached its peak, was becoming too expensive to maintain. In comes the Royal Commission on Bilingualism and Biculturalism, a brilliant act of Anglo-French collusion to quell the indigenous and other opposition, further revise history, defend the separate school sysyem, and establish the Official Languages Act, the labelling and packaging act, CBC/SRC and other laws and bodies to solidify Anglo-French gains.

With indigenous (and to a lesser degree other) Canadians continuing to further organize politically, in comes the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms to further entrench Anglo-French dominance.

By the time of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, it was fair to say that the British in collusion with the French administered the building of Canada.

[Canada_First]

Canada should be for British or French people only. No other people's should've been allowed here. Too much trouble it's caused. As a person who's lived in alternate racial situations I know how much trouble living amongst other people can cause. It can and has led to the stealing of whole nations. I see Canada going down the same path and it's scary. It's almost like the long term plan is to ensure the British and French are expunged from this land. Sad state of affairs.

[Second-class Canadian]

@Canada_First:

My Chinese partner and I are planning to marry in the next year. Though I'm a French Canadian tracing my roots on my mother's side to New France and my father's to the UK and Austria (first generation Canadian born in the UK to a British father and an Austrian mother), our only common language is Mandarin Chinese. When she came to visit, the local Chinese population was large enough for us to live and do business in Chinese most of the time. She had managed 300 workers under her at one point and though she'd suffered bad luck in the last few years, is still self employed in import and export between Hong Kong and the mainland. She's fluent in Mandarin, Cantonese and Japanese, and has already drawn up a plan for an online business targeting Canada's Chinese market if she moves here. Worse case scenario if she should not be accepted due to the language tests, we'll settle in Hong Kong.

We don't live in the 1800's anymore, my friend. You may be surprised to learn that today many Canadians of British and French origin in relationships with foreigners might speak the foreign language and not the other way around, and that is often what allowed them to meet in the first place.

And as for foreigners coveting Canada we both prefer Hong Kong. The only reason we're considering Canada at least for the first few years is to give my mother and military father a chance to adjust to the reality that we may move far away later.

Though she has no interest in obtaining Canadian citizenship but only live here for a few years, I must ask what reception most Canadians would give her. From my experience, she people were friendly towards her last she was here, at least in my presence; but reading the rubbish online, I must wonder how people might judge her in my absence or in their minds, especially if she did want to immigrate.

So would you deny her the right to immigrate to Canada?

[Canada_First]

It's not up to me. I'm sure you'll both be fine in Canada.

For me. Due to my personal history I do not mix socially and preferably not professionally with those outside of my group. I'm not mean or spiteful or degrading towards anyone. No need for any of that. I'm probably a good deal older than many on this board.

I hope you younger generation make the world a better place. I sincerely do. My generation was and still us fraught with segregation, racism and discrimination. Not saying my way was right or wrong just simply the way it is/was.

I wish you and your partner the best of luck.

I speak 4 languages as well. Well three plus American Sign Language. Due to a close deaf relative.

Again I wish you luck.

[Second-class Canadian]

Thank you.