Surprise! UN accuses Israel and Hamas of possible war crimes

[marcus]

These savages attacked everything in sight. Even Ambulances carrying an old man, woman and three children - This is from the Amnesty Report:

Satellite images and photographs also appeared to show craters and other damage indicating that hospitals and ambulances were attacked repeatedly during the assault on Rafah, with one doctor describing patients and medics fleeing Abu Youssef al-Najjar hospital.

An ambulance carrying a wounded old man, woman and three children was reportedly struck by a drone-fired missile, incinerating everyone inside.

[bush_cheney2004]

...An ambulance carrying a wounded old man, woman and three children was reportedly struck by a drone-fired missile, incinerating everyone inside.

Sure it did.....prolly had a blind guy in there too...plus two babies.

Edited August 2, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

[marcus]

Sure it did.....prolly had a blind guy in there too...plus two babies.

It must be tough to swallow and accept that the Israeli military, which likes to call itself "the most moral army in the world" can do this. Especially with the unconditional support you've cornered yourself with. You may want to deny the investigation done by Amnesty International and London-based researchers Forensic Architecture, but anyone who prefers reality and the truth, will not.

Attacks on hospitals and medical workers

An ambulance carrying a wounded old man, woman and three children was struck by a drone-fired missile, setting it alight and burning everyone inside including medical workers to death. Jaber Darabih, a paramedic who arrived at the scene, described the charred remains of bodies with “no legs, no hands… severely burned”. Tragically, he later discovered that his own son, a volunteer paramedic was among those killed in the ambulance.

“By attacking ambulances and striking near hospitals, Israel's army displayed a flagrant disregard for the laws of war. Deliberately attacking health facilities and medical professionals amounts to war crimes,” said Philip Luther.

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The most moral army in the world actually hit three ambulances on that day:

On the same day three ambulances from the hospital went to collect wounded people near a mosque in Rafah; one ambulance was hit and completely destroyed by what appeared to be three drone-launched missiles. The three medics and all the wounded within the ambulance were burnt to death. A second ambulance left, while the other, which remained to collect the wounded and dead, was hit by another apparent drone strike.

[On Guard for Thee]

Not sure if that is considered trolling. Does it further the discussion? Can I get a grown up to weigh in on this matter please?

Sounds like it to me, but at least it wasn't umteen pages long.

[bush_cheney2004]

It must be tough to swallow and accept that the Israeli military, which likes to call itself "the most moral army in the world" can do this. Especially with the unconditional support you've cornered yourself with. You may want to deny the investigation done by Amnesty International and London-based researchers Forensic Architecture, but anyone who prefers reality and the truth, will not.

Don't believe everything you read....they forgot to mention the puppies in that ambulance too. War is hell....so don't start one if one can't handle the consequences..

Edited August 2, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

[marcus]

Don't believe everything you read....they forgot to mention the puppies in that ambulance too. War is hell....so don't start one.

1) You're still in denial of the truth. Amnesty International is not going to make up a fake report. Especially not on Israel's actions. There is too much pressure on errors being made against Israel. If an error is made, Israel will jump all over it. This is why Israel will not be able to come up with any evidence that counters the thorough investigation of the incident. They will just repeat empty denials.

2) Hamas did not start the war. In fact, this was not even a war. This was one of the biggest military in the world, unleashing their high tech U.S. military gifts on a defenseless population.

Those 3 ambulances that the Israeli military torched with their drones is no different than the 18 month old baby who was burnt by extremist settlers. All of those responsible for the heinous murder of innocent people should receive a just punishment.

[Hudson Jones]

Israel has committed war crimes and possible crimes against humanity according Amnesty International. How much longer can this rogue state continue without being punished?

[GostHacked]

Sounds like it to me, but at least it wasn't umteen pages long.

Trolling does not need more than a line and a hook. Maybe that's the problem is that members simply don't recognize trolling when it is right in front of them.

[Charles Anthony]

Call it whatver irrelevent labels you want. It is now thread drift and will be deleted shortly.

[GostHacked]

Call it whatver irrelevent labels you want. It is now thread drift and will be deleted shortly.

Irrelevant labels? So as long as trolling does not contribute to thread drift, we are good? Just looking for clarity as usual.

[Rue]

To come on this board as some posters do and ignore the war crimes of Hamas and simply focus on Israel for me shows unbalanced, partial, partisan name calling.

A proper discussion would not simply piss on Israel and ignore what Hamas did.

But then that is what some do on this forum-use it as a platform to piss on Israel to avoid discussing who they are fighting and why.

Its stale.

For Marcus to come on the forum and try this shtick that Israel blows up old men and children in ambulances is par for the course. This is someone who is fully aware of how Hamas uses ambulances to transport weapons, terrorists.

Lol. As Bush said they kill puppies too.

[Hudson Jones]

For Marcus to come on the forum and try this shtick that Israel blows up old men and children in ambulances is par for the course.

You can try to defame and blame Marcus or anyone else for facts and information that you don't like. The reality is that Amnesty International is not the only credible and internationally recognized organization who has found, through real investigation, that Israel targeted civilians and committed war crimes on numerous occasions. Not only in the latest attack on Gaza, but also in the previous ones.

No amount denial is going to change the facts gathered by these organizations.

[Rue]

You can try to defame and blame Marcus or anyone else for facts and information that you don't like. The reality is that Amnesty International is not the only credible and internationally recognized organization who has found, through real investigation, that Israel targeted civilians and committed war crimes on numerous occasions. Not only in the latest attack on Gaza, but also in the previous ones.

No amount denial is going to change the facts gathered by these organizations.

I have not defamed anyone. Save the victim role. That device used to avoid responding is spent.

Here is another device that is spent. You present specific subjective allegations and statements. You are then asked to provide the objective facts to back up those specific allegations or statements and you can not so you respond changing the subject in your response as you above trying to switch the topic away from what you can't prove to something else hoping your switch shtick is not noticed.

However if must speak facts, repeatedly when you and Marcus are challenged on certain specific subjective comments you make, you time and time again show you can't back them up with any objective facts or evidence and thus the need to play bait and switch.

I am here to say its not working and your inability to back up your statements when challenged is there for all to see.

Your latest response again shows how you ignore when you get caught unable to back up your allegations-your device is to then trot out another piss on Israel comment expressing your anti Israel belief with no discussion, just the same stale, Israel is poo position.

What is there for all to see is you will quote the same organization that condemns both Hamas and Israel equally but refuse outright to discuss that mutual criticism and only focus on Israel as if what they did happened with no context to what Hamas did.

Go on HJ point out for your alleged audience the organizations that criticize Israel then explain how you won't discuss their criticizing Hamas. Go on explain how your script doesn't allow you to even acknowledge Hamas exists. Lol.

Edited August 13, 2015 by Rue

[marcus]

I am here to say its not working and your inability to back up your statements

I don't understand why you are making blatantly false comments.

I am pretty sure anyone who is reading this thread has seen that the statements in regards to Israel's war crimes are backed up by the UN investigation team and Amnesty International.

This is a 10 minutes video by Amnesty International which they made following their investigation into Israel's crimes:

Edited August 13, 2015 by marcus

[Rue]

1-I don't understand why you are making blatantly false comments.

2-I am pretty sure anyone who is reading this thread has seen that the statements in regards to Israel's war crimes are backed up by the UN investigation team and Amnesty International.

Response 1 is a tactic you use which is stale. Youc laim I provide false comments, but never indicate what those comments are and why they are false.

Response 2, is hilarious. When you are challenged as to why those statements you refer to and do not as you claim back up the things you do, you simply repeat the same accusation.

Here are the questions you/HJ/Cyber whoever it is who wants to piss on Israel and have me removed from the board will still not answer:

Put up or shut up;

1-the names of the UN investigators who witnesses first hand any of the attacks they made conclusions on;

2-the identity and names of the witnesses the UN relied on to conclude the 6 of 6,000 air attacks were not military in objective;

3-the names and qualifications of the military experts who condemned Israelwere and what evidence they relied on;

4-an explaination of how a photo can show an air attack was not military in nature;

5-p the names of the IDF soldiers that provided evidence to the UN report.

You claim you rely on a report and yet you can't even discuss and disclose the above? Why? How do you expect to argue you rely on this report when youy can't answer the above?

You really think if you ignore me and show you have no clue what the report is missing or is supposedly based on but does not contain, its credible?

Lol? Really?

You think Marcus once again coming on this board and refusing to answer the above by throwing another selective film out, makes your evasion of these basic questions go away?

Go on answer the above. Then when you are done explain how 6 of 6,000 air strikes being suspect shows negligence. Please. Go ahead.

Also explain how it is you won't acknowledge the very sites and sources you quote also stated Hamas is guilty of war crimes?

How is it you think you can come on this board, attack me personally, and not think you are exposed?

You think calling me a liar changes anything?

You can't answer basic questions on a report you think backs your points up. You can't showing the very report you think proves your point, has not been read by you. You haven't even read it because if you did you would be able to answer the questions I asked and how they did not render the report a

farse for precisely not revealing any of the above.

What a joke. You provide a report you don't read that is second hand and uncorroborated with first hand evidences and includes subjective inferences an even then the best it can infer is 6 of 6,000 air missions are problematic. Lol.

Atta boy, You quote a report that says .001% of air missions flown by the IDF over Gaza were problematic. ,001%. Yep that sure is a smoking gun.

Then ooopsy now, when you can't defend that report, you switch to an entirely new allegation trying to pass it off as the old one you can't back up.

Lol.

You boys are something else. Flippity floppity. Go on Cyber, WWWWT back them up. You don't think HJ or Marcus can, so you 2 go ahead.

Come on Cyber, Ghost said you were testing the forum, test away.

[Big Guy]

The Israei army explained the high civilian deaths in Gaza by the use of human shields by Hamas. It appears that the Israeli's were quite capable of using that same tactic:

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/aljazeeraworld/2015/08/gaza-human-shields-150811103225743.html

[marcus]

Response 1 is a tactic you use which is stale. Youc laim I provide false comments, but never indicate what those comments are and why they are false.

I indicated what comment by quoting the comment. I'm not sure if you're incapable of understanding the obvious or playing dumb because you're unable to concede to the truth; It has been proven through credible investigations that Israel has committed war crimes.

You said: I am here to say its not working and your inability to back up your statements

I responded with: I am pretty sure anyone who is reading this thread has seen that the statements in regards to Israel's war crimes are backed up by the UN investigation team and Amnesty International.

Edited August 16, 2015 by marcus

[socialist]

These savages attacked everything in sight. Even Ambulances carrying an old man, woman and three children - This is from the Amnesty Report:

Satellite images and photographs also appeared to show craters and other damage indicating that hospitals and ambulances were attacked repeatedly during the assault on Rafah, with one doctor describing patients and medics fleeing Abu Youssef al-Najjar hospital.

An ambulance carrying a wounded old man, woman and three children was reportedly struck by a drone-fired missile, incinerating everyone inside.

Why do leftists hate Israel so much?

Reason: Leftists feel that everyone should suffer equally. Israel is a bastion for democracy and liberalism in the middle east, where everywhere else in the middle east, women are often stoned to death for being raped.

Leftists want the entire region to be miserable just like they are.

[Big Guy]

Some atrocities are as bad as war crimes. To throw Palestinians off their land so that Israeli's want to live there is inexcusable.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/neighbours-gather-protest-west-bank-eviction-order-150815091446323.html

Any wonder why the rest of the world is slowly turning against Israel.

[Rue]

I indicated what comment by quoting the comment. I'm not sure if you're incapable of understanding the obvious or playing dumb because you're unable to concede to the truth; It has been proven through credible investigations that Israel has committed war crimes.

You said: I am here to say its not working and your inability to back up your statements

I responded with: I am pretty sure anyone who is reading this thread has seen that the statements in regards to Israel's war crimes are backed up by the UN investigation team and Amnesty International.

You continue to refuse to respond to these questions by trying to repeat the above tactic which is designed to try bait and switch and avoid responding.

The above tactic of trying to change the subject is not working, go on Marcus dig deeper or have the integrity to answer the following questions:

1-provide the names of the UN investigators who witnesses first hand any of the attacks they made conclusions on;

2-provide the identity and names of the witnesses the UN relied on and their basis to conclude the 6 of 6,000 air attacks were not military in objective;

3-provide the names and qualifications of the military experts and the basis for how they concluded what they did and the evidence they relied on;

4-provide an explaination of how a photo can show an air attack was not military in nature;

5-provide the names of the IDF soldiers that provided evidence to the UN report.

To date you refuse to respond to 1-5 showing you have not read the report and as a result can not answer 1-5.

The only person playing dumb is you, You've been asked now what 4 times and refused.

Anyone who has read this thread as you said knows you won't respond to 1-5 and have dug a hole and so keep trying to change the subject.

If as you said " anyone who is reading this thread has seen that the statements in regards to Israel's war crimes are backed up by the UN investigation team and Amnesty International..." they would know that such a response does not answer 1-5.

I asked 1-5 because you raised them all as concluding certain things but can't even point out where in the report they concluded the things you dod.

You come on this board trying to bluff your way through a report you did not read relying on a headline to think you know what it concluded.

Go on Marcus respond just once. Explain how it is you will quote the report when it allegedly condemns Israel, but ignore the same report when it condemns Hamas.

Go on Marcus, explain why you ignore anything these reports said about Hamas.

No you don't plop a head line down and think that passes as fact and truth as you state.

No Marcus you will have to do a lot more then plop out a headline. You will need to learn to read a report and be able to discuss its contents which you clearly can't.

Go on Marcus explain how 6 of 6,000 air attacks, that is .01% of them being problematic provides negligence. Explain how .01% establishes a level of incompetence and not the exact opposite. You can't the same way you won't acknowledge what Hamas did and its role in the war.

You said it all Marcus when you tried to pass of the war as being "started by Israel". Your comment is a joke.

[Rue]

Some atrocities are as bad as war crimes. To throw Palestinians off their land so that Israeli's want to live there is inexcusable.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/neighbours-gather-protest-west-bank-eviction-order-150815091446323.html

Any wonder why the rest of the world is slowly turning against Israel.

No Israeli threw any Palestinian off any land. Your comment is false. The fact you repeat it and keep quoting Al jazeera and no one else shows your bias and lack of credibility. You have nothing to offer in any discussion on the ME but an anti Israeli diatribe. You can't discuss but one issue in the conflict without blaming it on Israel and now presenting this b.s. revisionist drivel.

Throw people off their land. What drivel.

[Rue]

The Israei army explained the high civilian deaths in Gaza by the use of human shields by Hamas. It appears that the Israeli's were quite capable of using that same tactic:

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/aljazeeraworld/2015/08/gaza-human-shields-150811103225743.html

You make no effort to think before you post such statements. Even if one followed your comment it suggests that Israel uses human shields so Hamas should use human shields.

Your comment is completely void in any logic or sense and reduces discussion to " I am a poo head because you are a poo head".

Thank you for such eloquent and deep analysis.

[Big Guy]

Thank you for the brief responses. I quote Al Jazeera because it is the most objective medium in the region and it usually reports what is happening well before North American newspapers pick it up.

As for the rest of your views - I believe in sharing facts and allowing the reader to make their own conclusions. I also try to make recommendations based on the fact that was is best for Canada is my priority. I really have no time for anyone who puts another nation over Canada.

I thank you for reading my views and posting your opinions (the ones that are short and concise - I do not read the others) and hope you continue to find my opinions informative, conscience raising and worthy of comment.

[marcus]

1-provide the names of the UN investigators who witnesses first hand any of the attacks they made conclusions on;

2-provide the identity and names of the witnesses the UN relied on and their basis to conclude the 6 of 6,000 air attacks were not military in objective;

3-provide the names and qualifications of the military experts and the basis for how they concluded what they did and the evidence they relied on;

4-provide an explaination of how a photo can show an air attack was not military in nature;

5-provide the names of the IDF soldiers that provided evidence to the UN report.

It's good to have questions. Even if some of the questions are irrational to ask. Such as: "Provide the names of the UN investigators who witnesses first hand.." Like investigators and forensic specialist are always at the scene of the crime when the crime happens.

Judging from the questions you are asking, you have obviously dismissed this report, without even reading it. You will need to read the report which will have a section and throughout the report about most of what you're asking.

Unfortunately you have displayed another instance where criticism of Israel is receiving an automatic denial by a Zionist apologist. And once again, without having studied the information being shared.

What's the truth to people like you?

Edited August 18, 2015 by marcus

[GostHacked]

No Israeli threw any Palestinian off any land. Your comment is false. The fact you repeat it and keep quoting Al jazeera and no one else shows your bias and lack of credibility. You have nothing to offer in any discussion on the ME but an anti Israeli diatribe. You can't discuss but one issue in the conflict without blaming it on Israel and now presenting this b.s. revisionist drivel.

Throw people off their land. What drivel.

Quite right, it was not theirs to begin with! Shall we revisit the map again?