Canada_First Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 Citizens must be free to spend money how they wish. If they'd like to spend it in favor or against any political party it must be allowed. We don't need any further rules surrounding this. Our lives have enough government intrusion. We need less not more IMHO. Quote
Big Guy Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Posted June 23, 2015 Certainly citizens can - but how about foreigners and foreign countries? I would like to see the same rules applied that are applied during the election campaign where all donors and those paying for these ads are identified. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 Certainly citizens can - but how about foreigners and foreign countries? I would like to see the same rules applied that are applied during the election campaign where all donors and those paying for these ads are identified. Do you have examples, other than the Oil Sand stuff, of this happening? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 ...I would like to see the same rules applied that are applied during the election campaign where all donors and those paying for these ads are identified. Sorry...that would be "American style" too. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) To Boges - I would if the donors had to be identified. I have to work on the assumption that if I cannot identify the donor then it could be anyone. Our foreign and economic policies are very important to multinationals and other countries. We know that China has been trying to take as much control of the oil sands as it can. Why would the Chinese not want to get involved supporting the party and/or candidates who could help them? Other countries are concerned about our fishing policies and trade policies. If they feel that their involvement in our elections could promote their views then why would they refrain from doing so especially knowing that the involvement could not be traced to them. I suggest that everyone interested closely view the ads that will appear between to-day and when the writ is dropped. See which ones have no Canadian federal party affiliation. Edited June 23, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 Every political ad, I've ever seen, has a disclaimer at the end saying who paid for the ad. This happens Murka too. Where are the CPC ads being paid for by the Chinese? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 Every political ad, I've ever seen, has a disclaimer at the end saying who paid for the ad. This happens Murka too. Do the campaign ads for candidates end with their verbal approval and responsibility for the ad ? 'Cause if they do, that would be 'merkin style too. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 3rd party advertising has been happening in Ontario to do the fear mongering for the Ontario Liberal Party for over 10 years now. The 3rd party groups get to trash the opposition while it frees up the party to do all the positive stuff. But when the CPC does it, it's horrible. Wasn't just the teachers. Even the OPP union got involved pushing a pro-Liberal view. Millions of dollars in free advertising helped elect the Liberals, and the unions announced afterward they were so pleased they would be putting in an even bigger effort at the federal election. Hardly a surprise that business and other groups worried about what a left wing victory would mean have passed the hat around and are pushing back. I don't see what can be done about it either. You can't simply ban people or organizations from every advertising their social or policy views. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 McWynnty is look to ban 3rd party advertising now. They're fighting with the teachers and know that they won't be carrying their jock for them next election. Quote
Argus Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 McWynnty is look to ban 3rd party advertising now. They're fighting with the teachers and know that they won't be carrying their jock for them next election. Probably why she is also changing the rules which make government ads be approved by the ombudsman's office. Look to see a lot of self-promoting ads paid for by the taxpayer. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 It's Harper Derangement Syndrome on a nearly fatal level. I wouldn't bother. Nope, its called bill C 23. Quote
Shady Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 Nope, its called bill C 23. LOL, I feel sorry for people like you. Quote
Topaz Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 One item about Harper is he has never opened up to who his donors are and the opposition parties have been asking since he was elected but he refuses to and one doesn't have to be a "union" to want Harper gone. Anyone with brain, see what is happening to this country by the hands of this guy as PM. Harper hates to lose and he even ripped Stockwell Day apart verbally, when both were running for the Reform leadership. There's no way Harper can win now, in a HONEST and FAIR election. http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-owns-stephen-harper-money-in-politics-secret-donors-supported-his-rise-to-power/5431051 Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 LOL, I feel sorry for people like you. Dont waste your time doing that buddy, spend it doing some research. Quote
Shady Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 Dont waste your time doing that buddy, spend it doing some research. I have. You're acting like a crazy person. It's fine to have questions, but you've clearly gone off the deep end. Make sure your tinfoil hat is strapped on tight! Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 I have. You're acting like a crazy person. It's fine to have questions, but you've clearly gone off the deep end. Make sure your tinfoil hat is strapped on tight! Still wasting time eh...better to read a primer on the unfair elections act I would suggest. Make sure your ducks are in a row by October. Quote
Shady Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 Still wasting time eh...better to read a primer on the unfair elections act I would suggest. Make sure your ducks are in a row by October. Oh for sure. Btw, how's the new charges against Darren Wilson going? Remember, you said they were imminent! I can hardly wait! Quote
Big Guy Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Those who came before us created a set of rules to try to make the election process fair to all. Therefore, after a writ is dropped (the government is dissolved) then guideline come into effect. All parties are given access to monies and all donations and supporters must be disclosed. That sounds fair to most people. We are currently in a holding zone where it looks like anybody can spend what they want on anything or create ads which have no basis in fact or truth - and the political party benefitting can claim no knowledge of the ad. Is that fair? Edited June 23, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 Oh for sure. Btw, how's the new charges against Darren Wilson going? Remember, you said they were imminent! I can hardly wait! Well he may have gotten away from criminal charges by a deeply flawed GJ process, but he,ll likely never be a cop again, and hes got a series of lawsuits to deal with. So some justice may ensue. Quote
Shady Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 Well he may have gotten away from criminal charges by a deeply flawed GJ process, but he,ll likely never be a cop again, and hes got a series of lawsuits to deal with. So some justice may ensue. Justice WAS served. You just continue to ignore the mountain of evidence regarding the situation and crminal thug Michael Brown. It's good to see you're finally coming to your senses though regarding Officer Wilson being charged again. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 Justice WAS served. You just continue to ignore the mountain of evidence regarding the situation and crminal thug Michael Brown. It's good to see you're finally coming to your senses though regarding Officer Wilson being charged again. You may think so because you prefer the outcome, however the GJ proceeding was so flawed as to be a joke. Quote
Smallc Posted June 23, 2015 Report Posted June 23, 2015 You may think so because you prefer the outcome, however the GJ proceeding was so flawed as to be a joke. And you say that because you would have preferred a different outcome. The difference is, your preferred outcome wasn't supported by the evidence. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted June 24, 2015 Report Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) Wasn't just the teachers. Even the OPP union got involved pushing a pro-Liberal view. .....don't forget "Working Canadians "....damn pinkos.....wait a tick.... Edited June 24, 2015 by Bob Macadoo Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 24, 2015 Report Posted June 24, 2015 And you say that because you would have preferred a different outcome. The difference is, your preferred outcome wasn't supported by the evidence. I really couldn't care less about the outcome, except that the outcome here was based on evidence and a process that was extremely flawed. Quote
Big Guy Posted June 24, 2015 Author Report Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) CBC finally picked up on the issue. Had a section on it called "PACS come to Canada" on this evenings news. Glad to see it is not just passing under the radar. http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Politics/ID/2670347155/ Edited June 24, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
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