On Guard for Thee Posted July 19, 2015 Report Posted July 19, 2015 From my understanding it is nobody. Who would be the exemption? I seriously doubt it would ever be Ezra? WWWTT You understand wrong. Of course it has nothing to do with the individual who has the record...(Ezra or anyone else) it has t do with who can see it after a pardon. Quote
WWWTT Posted July 19, 2015 Report Posted July 19, 2015 You understand wrong. Of course it has nothing to do with the individual who has the record...(Ezra or anyone else) it has t do with who can see it after a pardon. I thought when you were given a pardon, then that's it, your record is sealed. If not then who can "unseal" to view? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
kimmy Posted July 19, 2015 Report Posted July 19, 2015 How many times have you been convicted? Wellllll, there was an incident as a juvenile that counts as a conviction... but that's beside the point. The point is, do we really want to be a society where stuff people did in their teens continues to define them even 20 years after the fact? This guy apparently participated in the curb-stomping of another kid, which sounds pretty bad. But are we to just make the judgment that Mr Dancey didn't learn anything from his time in jail, that he hasn't grown as a person since he was an 18 year old? The other thing is, how evenly is that applied? On the one hand we've got this incident that only came to light because Ezra Levant's new website has a hate-on for the NDP and apparently has a contact with access to records that were supposed to be sealed. On the other hand we've got cases like, for example, former BC Premier Gordon Campbell who got convicted for doing DUI while in Hawaii, while he was in office, and not only did he not resign, he got elected Premier two more times. What did Ezra have to say about that? Probably nothing, but I imagine other right-wingers at the time were saying something along the lines of "look, he made a mistake, but an error in judgment about driving drunk doesn't reflect on his ability to be a good premier. He's a good premier and after this learning experience I am sure he won't drink and drive any more!" Like, a 53 year old man gets busted driving around with a blood alcohol level twice the legal limit, and gets to keep his job and have a learning experience from it... but a guy who was involved in a fight as an 18 year old is unfit to hold a bureaucrat job 20 years later? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
On Guard for Thee Posted July 19, 2015 Report Posted July 19, 2015 I thought when you were given a pardon, then that's it, your record is sealed. If not then who can "unseal" to view? WWWTT The national parole board and the RCMP Quote
WWWTT Posted July 19, 2015 Report Posted July 19, 2015 The national parole board and the RCMP Did a search and sounds like you're wrong. Who can reveal my pardoned/suspended record? Under the CRA, only the Minister of Public Safety Canada has the authority to disclose information from a pardoned/suspended record. This happens ONLY in exceptional circumstances. If, for example, a subsequent serious criminal offence is committed the file may be re-opened. As long as you do not re-offend, no one will ever be able to gain access to your pardoned/suspended criminal record. Taken from here. https://www.pardons.org/pardons/ Not an easy find. Looks like the government isn't really that open with this. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
On Guard for Thee Posted July 19, 2015 Report Posted July 19, 2015 Did a search and sounds like you're wrong. Who can reveal my pardoned/suspended record? Under the CRA, only the Minister of Public Safety Canada has the authority to disclose information from a pardoned/suspended record. This happens ONLY in exceptional circumstances. If, for example, a subsequent serious criminal offence is committed the file may be re-opened. As long as you do not re-offend, no one will ever be able to gain access to your pardoned/suspended criminal record. Taken from here. https://www.pardons.org/pardons/ Not an easy find. Looks like the government isn't really that open with this. WWWTT If you are pardoned your record will show up clean for instance if you need a background check for a job. The the record still exists but is held separately. Quote
WWWTT Posted July 19, 2015 Report Posted July 19, 2015 If you are pardoned your record will show up clean for instance if you need a background check for a job. The the record still exists but is held separately. Ya but your claim is incorrect. Only one group has access to it, the minister of public safety. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
On Guard for Thee Posted July 19, 2015 Report Posted July 19, 2015 Ya but your claim is incorrect. Only one group has access to it, the minister of public safety. WWWTT Nope. But once a pardon (now called a record suspension) has been granted, the information cannot be released without the say so of that office. Quote
PIK Posted August 11, 2015 Report Posted August 11, 2015 Does the NDP even have a energy plan yet. And she has freaked out the oil companies ,and that is why we are still paying high prices at the pumps. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
The_Squid Posted August 11, 2015 Report Posted August 11, 2015 NDP are to blame for gas prices??? LOL They aren't even as high as they had been earlier.... who was to blame 6 months ago? Quote
overthere Posted August 11, 2015 Report Posted August 11, 2015 Haven't seen too much debate on the substance of the thread. I can't see Albertans being pleased with 10 of 12 out-of-province Chief of Staffs! I mean, how weird is that? Could be wrong, but I doubt there is a precedent. It just seems so wrong, doesn't it? It is part of an unsecret agenda. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
cybercoma Posted August 12, 2015 Report Posted August 12, 2015 Does the NDP even have a energy plan yet. And she has freaked out the oil companies ,and that is why we are still paying high prices at the pumps. You're paying high prices at the pumps because the refineries are making more profit than they ever have. Quote
socialist Posted August 17, 2015 Report Posted August 17, 2015 The Alberta election has no resemblance to the federal one, except to say that Tom feels confident because of the Alberta NDP win. That confidence will fade sooner rather than later when and if the media gets serious enough about Canada's well being. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
overthere Posted August 17, 2015 Report Posted August 17, 2015 Now the NDP are appointing political hacks from elsewhere to the most senior civil service jobs. Truth and transparency in government, a fresh wind blowing through Alberta......... Why does it smell like a stale fart then? http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Veteran+strategist+appointed+civil+service+role/11288626/story.html Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
cybercoma Posted August 17, 2015 Report Posted August 17, 2015 Why don't you want the most experienced people in positions of power? Should they appoint Conservatives to the posts, since those are the only people who've done those jobs for 40 years? Come on. Quote
socialist Posted August 17, 2015 Report Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) Albertans who voted NDP were suckered into making a terrible mistake at the ballot box. They can now watch helplessly as the NDP destroys Alberta’s economy, balloons its debt, and sets its and Canada’s development back 100 years. Alberta has admirers of Hugo Chavez running the province. What will Quebec do without Alberta supporting their glorious social programs? Edited August 17, 2015 by socialist Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
overthere Posted August 17, 2015 Report Posted August 17, 2015 Why don't you want the most experienced people in positions of power? Should they appoint Conservatives to the posts, since those are the only people who've done those jobs for 40 years? Come on. The civil service in Canada, even in Alberta, has not been polticized previously. Deputy Ministers and ADMs are traditionally not party hacks, they are professional bureaucrats and survive changes of government. The appointment of political types to a ministers staff is common, this is entirely different and new: appointing political types to senior civil service jobs. They should appoint ecperienced civil srvants to these posts, which has been the practice for... forever. Now they are appointing partisan hacks. That meets your approval? I expect more. Come on. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
waldo Posted August 17, 2015 Report Posted August 17, 2015 You're paying high prices at the pumps because the refineries are making more profit than they ever have. notwithstanding the (maintenance) shutdown of that major U.S. refinery... claimed to be the cause of recent pump increases in the west. All this whining about the Alberta NDP... and what have they done... really done... in the short period they've been in government? Oil execs say Notley more ‘collaborative’ than Conservative government in tackling royalties Quote
socialist Posted August 17, 2015 Report Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) notwithstanding the (maintenance) shutdown of that major U.S. refinery... claimed to be the cause of recent pump increases in the west. All this whining about the Alberta NDP... and what have they done... really done... in the short period they've been in government? Oil execs say Notley more ‘collaborative’ than Conservative government in tackling royalties The industry is doing very poorly. Notley has put herself in a tough spot by raising expectations for a royalty review (code for jacking up royalties). The pleasant atmosphere will not last. It's not a collaborative process that counts, but a collaborative result. Edited August 17, 2015 by socialist Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Black Dog Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 The civil service in Canada, even in Alberta, has not been polticized previously. Deputy Ministers and ADMs are traditionally not party hacks, they are professional bureaucrats and survive changes of government. The appointment of political types to a ministers staff is common, this is entirely different and new: appointing political types to senior civil service jobs. They should appoint ecperienced civil srvants to these posts, which has been the practice for... forever. Now they are appointing partisan hacks. That meets your approval? I expect more. Come on. How naive does one have to be to actually believe this, especially in AB. Quote
Canada_First Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 Politicians of any stripe are scumbags. They are only interested in self preservation and care very little for you and I, only to retain power. That goes for the wonderful Mr. Mulcair as well. If anything politicians are our enemy more than our friends. many of you act like they actually care about us when they really do not. they care about power. They want to be in power to build up contacts so that after politics they can enjoy a lucrative job in the private sector where they basically make phone calls all day using their contacts and set up meetings. Seriously, wake up. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 How naive does one have to be to actually believe this, especially in AB. Maybe overthere has never worked in the civil service. *shrugs* Quote
PIK Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 You're paying high prices at the pumps because the refineries are making more profit than they ever have. And the oil companies are making as much as they can before the shit hits the fan in alberta and it is going to hit it hard. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
overthere Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 Maybe overthere has never worked in the civil service. *shrugs* Deputy Ministers-civil servants-are not appointed from political parties. Even in Alberta. Until now. The normal career progression is serving as an Assistant Deputy Minister, often in several Ministries, then getting a crack at a DM position. Not this time. Why do you support corruption? Why do you hate freedom? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
kimmy Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 Does the NDP even have a energy plan yet. And she has freaked out the oil companies ,and that is why we are still paying high prices at the pumps. That's completely ridiculous. Canadians are paying high prices at the pumps because the Canada-US exchange rate is in free-fall. The world energy market is based on the US dollar, and the Canadian dollar has dropped 20% vs the US dollar in the past year. The drop in the price of oil has been offset by the drop in the Canadian dollar, and THAT is why we are still paying high prices at the pumps. Good grief. Do you guys even think about this crap before you post it? I know that you guys can't wait for the Alberta NDP to be a failure, but you might want to at least wait for a real reason to blame them instead of inventing imaginary stuff to blame them for. Is it too soon to coin "Notley Derangement Syndrome"? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
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