WestCoastRunner Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) So Bruce Jenner has come out by posing on the cover of Vanity Fair. Is this a publicity stunt? I don't think so. I say, Kudos to Bruce. He has done a lot to bring attention to the trans gender community given his olympic gold medal and his life with the Kardashians. Millions of people know him and can identify with and maybe have empathy for his/her situation. Should Bruce/Caitlyn capitalize on these reality shows? Maybe so, as long as Caitlyn is strong enough to deal with it. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/02/business/media/jenner-reveals-new-name-in-vanity-fair-article.html?_r=0 Edited June 2, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 So Bruce Jenner has come out by posing on the cover of Vanity Fair. Is this a publicity stunt? I don't think so. I say, Kudos to Bruce. He has done a lot to bring attention to the trans gender community given his olympic gold medal and his life with the Kardashians. Millions of people know him and can identify with and maybe have empathy for his/her situation. Should Bruce/Caitlyn capitalize on these reality shows? Maybe so, as long as Caitlyn is strong enough to deal with it. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/02/business/media/jenner-reveals-new-name-in-vanity-fair-article.html?_r=0 If it is a stunt, then he's gone way beyond what is necessary. My question; why Caitlyn with a "C" and not "K" like the other Kardashians? Hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) If it is a stunt, then he's gone way beyond what is necessary. My question; why Caitlyn with a "C" and not "K" like the other Kardashians? Hmmm. I don't mean a publicity stunt in that he is looking for more media attention with a contrived stunt. He obviously is transgender. But is he milking it for publicity or is he truly trying to advance transgender rights? I think that he is. He has lived his entire life in the limelight. This is probably normal to him. Edited June 2, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Does Jean Luc Picard know about his life with the Kardashians? He probably wouldn't approve. There are four lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Meh....Jenner has not done anything that wasn't done far earlier and with greater impact by Dr. Renee Richards almost 40 years ago. Edited June 2, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Does Jean Luc Picard know about his life with the Kardashians? He probably wouldn't approve. There are four lights. I didn't know who he was. I had to google his name! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Meh....Jenner has not done anything that wasn't done far earlier and with greater impact by Dr. Renee Richards almost 40 years ago. Did Dr. Renee Richards make it on the cover of Vanity Fair? Bruce Jenner has a bigger impact on a different generation perhaps, especially with younger transgender kids using social media. A bigger impact for them, no doubt and i think a more positive impact and possibly less suicide rates for that age range. Edited June 2, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Did Dr. Renee Richards make it on the cover of Vanity Fair? Bruce Jenner has a bigger impact on a different generation perhaps. Actually, she made it to the Unites States Supreme Court for transgender rights. Jenner is just stunting for the Kardashian franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I didn't know who he was. I had to google his name! You have such NETFLIX fun ahead of you. Enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Actually, she made it to the Unites States Supreme Court for transgender rights. Jenner is just stunting for the Kardashian franchise. And no doubt, having an influence on young transgender kids. Caitlyn is having a big impact on young transgender kids. Let's not diminish that. Caitlyn is probably saving lives. Transgender individuals have a 40% suicide rate. If it can be reduced by this story, that is good news. Edited June 2, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 And no doubt, having an influence on young transgender kids. Caitlyn is having a big impact on young transgender kids. Let's not diminish that. Caitlyn is probably saving lives. Transgender individuals have a 40% suicide rate. If it can be reduced by this story, that is good news. The really hard work was already done over a generation ago by people not looking to pimp a celebrity franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 The really hard work was already done over a generation ago by people not looking to pimp a celebrity franchise. What you are forgetting and what I have mentioned earllier, is that Jenner has reached a new generation. Do you have an issue with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) What you are forgetting and what I have mentioned earllier, is that Jenner has reached a new generation. Do you have an issue with this? Not at all....I don't believe that is the case with respect to transgender rights and awareness by the general public. Jenner is not saving any lives, but he is furthering his own celebrity agenda. Just because it wasn't on YouTube or MyFace doesn't mean prior history didn't happen. Edited June 2, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Not at all....I don't believe that is the case with respect to transgender rights and awareness by the general public. Jenner is not saving any lives, but he is furthering his own celebrity agenda. Just because it wasn't on YouTube or MyFace doesn't mean prior history didn't happen. Jenner has gained 1 million twitter followers in 4 hours. Can you imagine the number of transgender individuals that have followed him and risen above their suicidal thoughts. If you think you can brush this aside, then you have absolutely no empathy for transgender individuals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Jenner has gained 1 million twitter followers in 4 hours. Can you imagine the number of transgender individuals that have followed him and risen above their suicidal thoughts. If you think you can brush this aside, then you have absolutely no empathy for transgender individuals. Wrong...I have actually worked with and managed transgender peers and direct reports...going back over 20 years. No Twitter required....the hard work has already been done by those without a penchant for self promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Wrong...I have actually worked with and managed transgender peers and direct reports...going back over 20 years. No Twitter required....the hard work has already been done by those without a penchant for self promotion. And that's great. Wonderful and good for you. However, this is a new generation and social media is the way young transgenders communicate. The hard work never stops. Why do you think the hard work has already been done, when we have very high rates of suicide among transgender individuals. Obviously, the hard work isn't done. And whenever an individual can contribute to preventing suicide among this group, who cares what celebrity status they are after. Edited June 2, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 And that's great. Wonderful and good for you. However, this is a new generation and social media is the way young transgenders communicate. The hard work never stops. Why do you think the hard work has already been done, when we have very high rates of suicide among transgender individuals. Obviously, the hard work isn't done. And whenever an individual can contribute to preventing suicide among this group, who cares what celebrity status they are after. Because legislation protecting transgender people has been on the books for decades...because transgender discrimination was enjoined long before Jenner's social media extravaganza....because real people with real barriers to overcome did so without lining their own pockets on E! TV. If the "new generation" doesn't know this already, then they are poorly informed / educated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Because legislation protecting transgender people has been on the books for decades...because transgender discrimination was enjoined long before Jenner's social media extravaganza....because real people with real barriers to overcome did so without lining their own pockets on E! TV. If the "new generation" doesn't know this already, then they are poorly informed / educated. If you had even attempted to research just a little about the suicide rates of transgender individuals, you would have seen that this is clearly a very real issue with very real barriers. And Jenner has reached out to these individuals (even if he lined his pockets) Trans men are the most impacted, with 46 percent reporting an attempt in their lifetime. Trans women are close behind at 42 percent, and female-assigned cross-dressers report rates of 44 percent. http://www.vocativ.com/culture/lgbt/transgender-suicide/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Yay...Bruce Jenner as Olympic gold medal winner on my Wheaties box...and Caitlyn Jenner on the cover of a magazine winning even more gold...for his bank account. All to prevent suicides ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Yay...Bruce Jenner as Olympic gold medal winner on my Wheaties box...and Caitlyn Jenner on the cover of a magazine winning even more gold...for his bank account. All to prevent suicides ! BC, you are showing your cynical old age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 BC, you are showing your cynical old age. Thank you....how did I ever get by without MyFace and Twitter ? It's amazing..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Thank you....how did I ever get by without MyFace and Twitter ? It's amazing..... When one individual can reach 1 million twitter users in 4 hours and counting, you are left in the dust. And consider the positive impact this individual can make on young people. Not sure why you are so negative about a positive thing that can come from this? Do you think that Jenner will have no positive impact on young transgender individuals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) When one individual can reach 1 million twitter users in 4 hours and counting, you are left in the dust. And consider the positive impact this individual can make on young people. Not sure why you are so negative about a positive thing that can come from this? Do you think that Jenner will have no positive impact on young transgender individuals? I think Jenner will have the most positive impact on the Kardashian fame franchise and his bank account. It's the 'Mericun way ! The suicide prevention angle is just noise. Edited June 2, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Because legislation protecting transgender people has been on the books for decades... . Sources and citations needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 This should not be news. I really don't care if someone wants to change their gender. Why do we make such a big deal out of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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