Truth and Reconciliation... Legitimacy

[Smallc]

That is what the Reconciliation part of the TRC is meant to do.

You ignored his entire post and the point of it.

[jacee]

For something I didn't do?

Yes.

[Smallc]

Yes.

What purpose could that possibly serve other than to breed resentment? I don't feel guilty for something I didn't do. This is as much my country as theirs as I was born here and have no other.

[On Guard for Thee]

You ignored his entire post and the point of it.

Dont think so. It was a anecdotal account of part of his childhood. The only actual point raised was the need to move forward.

[Michael Hardner]

I don't feel guilty for something I didn't do. This is as much my country as theirs as I was born here and have no other.

You have to take the bad with the good, though. They left us the land and all of the problems too. It's pretty easy to shrug and say that you want to enjoy the country, the environment, the economy but not the problems that it comes with.

[jacee]

TRC or not, I still don't have a clue what the vision is for these 630 nations.....as put forward by the Nations themselves - not the Canadian government. Given the proper resources, what would these 630 Nations look like in 30 years? What is the practical 10 step roadmap and where does it lead? Again - a roadmap defined by Aboriginals. If you don't know where you're going, any road will get you there.

I don't what the vision is for the 5,600 municipalities in Canada either, not even sure about my own, but I could look up each of their websites and see.

And you could look up the website of each First Nation and see too.

You have hit on a key point, though ... "given the proper resources ...".

That hasn't happened yet.

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[jacee]

What purpose could that possibly serve other than to breed resentment? I don't feel guilty for something I didn't do. This is as much my country as theirs as I was born here and have no other.

It was done by Canadian governments in the name of all Canadians.

Nobody's telling you you have to leave.

Nobody's telling you you have to feel guilty.

We do have to respectfully accept the truth of what was done in our name, that it was wrong, and that reparations are necessary to improve the quality of life of Indigenous Peoples.

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Edited June 5, 2015 by jacee

[Smallc]

We do have to respectfully accept the truth of what was done in our name, that it was wrong, and that reparations are necessary to improve the quality of life of Indigenous Peoples.

Aboriginal people are responsible for the quality of their own lives, just as am I my own. You need to accept the original purpose of the treaties and the original circumstances under which they were signed. Until you do that, we can't have a conversation.

[Smallc]

Dont think so. It was a anecdotal account of part of his childhood.

As are each of the stories that are the foundation of the TRC.

[Smallc]

I don't what the vision is for the 5,600 municipalities in Canada either

Canada doesn't have municipalities. The provinces generally have some kind of vision for their set of municipalities.

[On Guard for Thee]

As are each of the stories that are the foundation of the TRC.

Not even close. Factual records of the deaths of many children are not anecdotes. Of course Ottawa stopped recording those deaths after they became alarmingly high and the health officer who reported the situation was fired.

[Smallc]

Not even close. Factual records of the deaths of many children are not anecdotes. Of course Ottawa stopped recording those deaths after they became alarmingly high and the health officer who reported the situation was fired.

Stories of abuse have very weak proof, and are nothing but anecdotal.

[On Guard for Thee]

Stories of abuse have very weak proof, and are nothing but anecdotal.

In one post you want to accept an anecdotal recount and then when it suits, you want to dismiss thousands of them Thats what makes your position weak.

[Smallc]

In one post you want to accept an anecdotal recount and then when it suits, you want to dismiss thousands of them Thats what makes your position weak.

Actually, I'm saying they're both anecdotes. You don't see it that way

[Keepitsimple]

I don't what the vision is for the 5,600 municipalities in Canada either, not even sure about my own, but I could look up each of their websites and see.

And you could look up the website of each First Nation and see too.

You have hit on a key point, though ... "given the proper resources ...".

That hasn't happened yet.

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In other words - you also have no clue where these 630 Nations want to be in 30 years - or 100 years either. There has been billions spent and there are billions more available - AND many of these nations stand to have recurring royalties of billions more. A good start is to take collective responsibility (all 630 nations) for their future, start to work together, and move forward.

[On Guard for Thee]

Actually, I'm saying they're both anecdotes. You don't see it that way

Well then you can either believe them or dismiss them. The sheer number of accounts from FN people along with the documented proof that accompany many of them is hard to dismiss. So unless you do, then some form of reconciliation seems appropriate.

[Smallc]

Well then you can either believe them or dismiss them. The sheer number of accounts from FN people along with the documented proof that accompany many of them is hard to dismiss.

And that's true of what he said as well, the thing you discounted.

[On Guard for Thee]

And that's true of what he said as well, the thing you discounted.

So you agree reconciliation is required. Good, finally.

[Smallc]

So you agree reconciliation is required. Good, finally.

I think there has been a great deal of reconciliation already, in the form of commissions, apologies, monies paid out, the TRC itself, etc.

[jacee]

Aboriginal people are responsible for the quality of their own lives, just as am I my own. You need to accept the original purpose of the treaties and the original circumstances under which they were signed. Until you do that, we can't have a conversation.

I accept what the Supreme Court says.

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[Smallc]

I accept what the Supreme Court says.

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Only when it fits with your world view.

[jacee]

I think there has been a great deal of reconciliation already, in the form of commissions, apologies, monies paid out, the TRC itself, etc.

That's the Truth part.

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[eyeball]

I think there has been a great deal of reconciliation already, in the form of commissions, apologies, monies paid out, the TRC itself, etc.

No we've only concluded the first half of the process, getting to the the truth - it was probably too much to expect we'd nail it and hit the ball out of the park the first time around though. Given the unwillingness of so many to accept that truth we can certainly see where we'll need to do better during the 2nd part of the process, the reconciliation.

The rush to put the past behind us - to get as far away from it as we possibly can - is especially suspicious coming from posters with a long history of advocating incrementalism in virtually every other area or issue that touches on our governance.

[TimG]

we'll need to do better during the 2nd part of the process, the reconciliation.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. It implies a mutual coming to terms in a conflict. It does not imply a capitulation by one party. The report writers seemed to have forgotten that and seems to believe that they can some how force the the rest of the country to capitulate.

[Smallc]

That's the Truth part.

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Apologies and remuneration are part of the reconciliation side. I've done enough. After reading the TRC report I'm convinced it was conceived of in a bubble and had no real direction - not surprising seeing as I personally know and live very close to one of the authors.

Edited June 5, 2015 by Smallc