Icebound Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Snowden was pilloried in this any many forums in the past two years. Many in the world, including the United States... are finally coming around to recognize the importance and significance of his actions: 1. This report from a "secret" global conference on security:... http://www.duncancampbell.org/content/talking-gchq-interception-not-required..., ...indicate that the security and intelligence establishment acknowledges that: ""cold winds of transparency" had arrived and were here to stay.... " "Snowden's actions were an inevitable and perhaps necessary counterbalance to admitted excesses of intelligence collection after 9/11, " 2. Provisions in the Patriot Act are about to expire: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/24/patriot-act-nsa-phone-snooping-likely-to-expire-af/?page=all "The NSA program has been controversial since even before it was publicly revealed by former government contractor Edward Snowden." "Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper seemed to mislead the country when, in open testimony to Congress, he denied the government was scooping up any kinds of records on millions of Americans. In the two years since Mr. Snowden revealed the program, repeated reviews have found it to be ineffective. In the latest audit by the Justice Department Inspector General, FBI agents couldn’t point to a single plot that has been foiled thanks to bulk data collection." 3. The Wall Street Journal estimates that NSA activities have cost the US economy as much as 180 billion in lost business because of erosion of trust: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/07/30/new-report-snowden-revelations-hurt-u-s-companies/ "A more recent survey of 300 British and Canadian multinational companies found that a quarter of respondents were moving their data outside the U.S., and the overwhelming majority was willing to sacrifice access speed for security." Once again, knee-jerk legislation and "security" programs which erode democracy are proving not only ineffective, but actually detrimental.... and not only detrimental to the so-called left's love of privacy, human rights, etc... but also detrimental to the right's love of the economic bottom line. If the US can pardon Scooter Libby for his part in exposing the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame, they can certainly pardon Snowden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Pardon Snowden? They should be carving his image into Mt Rushmore and naming public schools after him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Agreed...Snowden is a hero for all the dummies who never figured out the obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 It was such public knowledge that politicians even called for him to be murdered for treason. So obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Agreed...Snowden is a hero for all the dummies who never figured out the obvious. He's certainly a hero to Al Quaeda and their ilk. He's taught them a lot about how to improve their electronic security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 He's certainly a hero to Al Quaeda and their ilk. He's taught them a lot about how to improve their electronic security. Do you have an example of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) Pardon Snowden? They should be carving his image into Mt Rushmore and naming public schools after him. That would be the ultimate of insults, putting Snowden's visage up there with the four war criminals, those four common thieves, those four progenitors of genocide. On a piece of property promised to Native Americans by treaty, a treaty that was then broken, and the land stolen by the USA government from Native Americans. Oh the irony! Edited May 28, 2015 by Je suis Omar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 He's certainly a hero to Al Quaeda and their ilk. He's taught them a lot about how to improve their electronic security. I think most people can appreciate what he did besides sycophantic little authoritarian wimps, and cowards that are peeing in their panties over a terrorism threat thats 1/7th as likely to kill them as a lightening strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 1 in 7 seemed a bit low to me, Dre. [The risk of being killed by terrorism] compares annual risk of dying in a car accident of 1 in 19,000; drowning in a bathtub at 1 in 800,000; dying in a building fire at 1 in 99,000; or being struck by lightning at 1 in 5,500,000. Feb 21, 2015 The Terrorism Statistics Every American Needs to Hear | Global ... www.globalresearch.ca › the-terrorism-st... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 He's certainly a hero to Al Quaeda and their ilk. He's taught them a lot about how to improve their electronic security. Yes, all that secret surveillance is really important to the control and capture of Al Quaeda.... except that when the Americans found out that it was costing them up to 180 billion in lost foreign business, then suddenly it became less important.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/what-happens-to-collection-of-phone-records-if-law-expires/2015/05/22/3250c4a2-00f2-11e5-8c77-bf274685e1df_story.html https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140726/19022728022/report-says-backlash-nsas-surveillance-programs-will-cost-private-sector-billions-dollars.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I think most people can appreciate what he did besides sycophantic little authoritarian wimps, and cowards that are peeing in their panties over a terrorism threat thats 1/7th as likely to kill them as a lightening strike. Most paranoid morons, you mean, wearing tinfoil hats because they're desperately afraid the CIA is spying on them while they masturbate to porn on the internet. Thank GOD Snowden saved you from having the CIA spying on what porn you watch! Snowden is now in a prison called Russia. He'll either piss someone off there and get a bullet to the head, or crawl out from under the Russian rock, be arrested, and spend the rest of his life in US federal prison. And rightly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) Yes, all that secret surveillance is really important to the control and capture of Al Quaeda.... except that when the Americans found out that it was costing them up to 180 billion in lost foreign business, then suddenly it became less important.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/what-happens-to-collection-of-phone-records-if-law-expires/2015/05/22/3250c4a2-00f2-11e5-8c77-bf274685e1df_story.html https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140726/19022728022/report-says-backlash-nsas-surveillance-programs-will-cost-private-sector-billions-dollars.shtml I had a good laugh about the indignation of the French and other foreign governments who spy on people far more than the NSA, thumping their chests in mock surprise at what the US was doing. It was almost as funny as Snowden, the guy allegedly protesting government surveillance, going first to China, then to Russia, the two countries in the world who are most devoted to surveillance, monitoring and suppressing anyone and everyone who opposes the government. Edited May 30, 2015 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) Do you have an example of this? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093604/How-Edward-Snowden-leaks-caused-boom-secret-messaging-apps-used-terrorists.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/06/cia-s-ex-no-2-says-isis-learned-from-snowden.html Edited May 30, 2015 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I had a good laugh about the indignation of the French and other foreign governments who spy on people far more than the NSA, thumping their chests in mock surprise at what the US was doing.It was almost as funny as Snowden, the guy allegedly protesting government surveillance, going first to China, then to Russia, the two countries in the world who are most devoted to surveillance, monitoring and suppressing anyone and everyone who opposes the government. Boy, are you "naive"! “Public opinion, I am sorry to say, will bear a great deal of nonsense. There is scarcely any absurdity so gross, whether in religion, politics, science or manners, which it will not bear.” Ralph Waldo Emerson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebound Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Snowden ...... be arrested, and spend the rest of his life in US federal prison. Maybe. And maybe countries are getting pissed off enough at USA to grant him asylum just for the hell of it. Switzerland has already toyed with the idea. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/switzerland-could-grant-edward-snowden-asylum-if-he-testifies-against-nsa-9718462.html ... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 From the Independent article, "In contrast to Switzerland, a Norwegian MP has today said that if Snowden wins the Nobel Peace Prize - for which he was nominated earlier this year - and travels to collect it, host country Norway would have no option but to arrest him." How ironic!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Je suis Omar Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) Deleted - DOUBLE POST Edited May 30, 2015 by Je suis Omar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Snowden is a traitor and a coward...let him rot in Putin's Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Snowden is a traitor and a coward...let him rot in Putin's Russia. Tsk tsk. The truth hurts that much eh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 How's Eddie doing these days, in the freedom and civil liberty loving country of Putin's Russian Federation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 The spy agency GCHQ has lost track of some major criminal networks after details of its surveillance capabilities were leaked by the US security contractor Edward Snowden. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article4305087.ece Mr. Snowden “went way beyond disclosing things that bore on privacy concerns,” said Mr. Inglis, who retired in January. “‘Sources and methods’ is what we say inside the intelligence community — the means and methods we use to hold our adversaries at risk, and ISIL is clearly one of those. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/4/islamic-state-using-edward-snowden-leaks-to-evade-/?page=all That's my biggest problem with this jerk. I'm somewhat sympathetic to his concerns over domestic policy. But what he did went way beyond and in many cases has nothing to do with domestic "spying". F*ckface Von Clownstick as I've dubbed him, needs to be held accountable for his actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) A true hero to those who are honest in their opposition to big government. Edited May 30, 2015 by BubberMiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 How's Eddie doing these days, in the freedom and civil liberty loving country of Putin's Russian Federation? I'm waiting for him to expose the widespread public surveillance of the regime which is sheltering him. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a LOOooong time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 A true hero to those who are honest in their opposition to big government. Like terrorists and organized crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Like terrorists and organized crime? Yup! The only ones that oppose big government are terrorists and crinimals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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