msj Posted May 25, 2015 Report Posted May 25, 2015 About 63% of Canadians support the death penalty for certain crimes. No one argues that percentage and accepts that the majority support capital punishment. There are a number of polls which support that statistic. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/majority-canadians-support-death-penalty-poll-180253516.html I couldn't get your link to work but why not add a poll to this thread to see how we feel about it? Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 25, 2015 Report Posted May 25, 2015 ....There is just far too much evidence that rehabilitation is the proper course of action in virtually all cases of imprisonment even for murderers. Well that is good to know, as anyone with a strong hankerin' for mass murder can rest assured that they will be treated quite well in Hug-A-Thug Canada, complete with early parole and government support in their "rehabilitation". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted May 25, 2015 Report Posted May 25, 2015 Well that is good to know, as anyone with a strong hankerin' for mass murder can rest assured that they will be treated quite well in Hug-A-Thug Canada, complete with early parole and government support in their "rehabilitation". Heck of a lot better than barbaric nations that put innocent people to death in the name of "justice." I'll take Hug-A-Thug if that means we're not killing people who are innocent, unlike the United States who wrongfully sentences at the very least 4% of those who receive death sentences. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 25, 2015 Report Posted May 25, 2015 Agreed...a lot better for murderers. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Je suis Omar Posted May 25, 2015 Report Posted May 25, 2015 I couldn't get your link to work but why not add a poll to this thread to see how we feel about it? Where is the "my stomach is killing me from laughing" emoticon!? Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 25, 2015 Report Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) Agreed...a lot better for murderers. One would really like to know, and understand, why you are so reluctant to provide sources for your notions. Notions that can so easily be shown to be uninformed ones, for your own country! Academics and specialists have long been aware of flaws in the FBI numbers, which are based on voluntary submissions by local law enforcement agencies of paperwork known as supplementary homicide reports. No law requires local agencies to fill out the reports, and some agencies do not, especially not for officer-involved homicides, according to experts who have studied the issue. But no accredited source had publicly ventured to claim that the numbers published by the FBI were more than 100% wrong. Thats notwithstanding an unusually public airing of doubts about the numbers by the FBI director, James Comey, in a speech at Georgetown University last month. Its ridiculous that I cant tell you how many people were shot by the police in this country last week, last year, the last decade its ridiculous, Comey said. In an interview with the Guardian following Comeys remarks, Stephen L Morris, assistant director of the FBIs criminal justice information services division, acknowledged holes and gaps in crime data the bureau publishes. We caveat this data we have been for decades, cautioning individuals and organizations from drawing conclusions from it, because we recognize it is incomplete data, it is disparate data that leaves too many holes and gaps, Morris said. Thats been a point of frustration for decades within the FBI. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/04/police-killed-people-fbi-data-justifiable-homicides#img-1 [ Edited May 25, 2015 by Je suis Omar Quote
PIK Posted May 26, 2015 Report Posted May 26, 2015 This is a tough one. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Big Guy Posted May 26, 2015 Author Report Posted May 26, 2015 Personally, I understand the reasons in support of capital punishment and those opposing it. My OP was based on the question of what should trigger a referendum? I used capital punishment as only an example where the majority of Canadians disagree with current legislation. I also find it interesting that we currently have a government which continues in its LAW and ORDER agenda, has an issue which would cap its agenda and yet does not broach the issue. Why? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Keepitsimple Posted May 26, 2015 Report Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) Personally, I understand the reasons in support of capital punishment and those opposing it. My OP was based on the question of what should trigger a referendum? I used capital punishment as only an example where the majority of Canadians disagree with current legislation. I also find it interesting that we currently have a government which continues in its LAW and ORDER agenda, has an issue which would cap its agenda and yet does not broach the issue. Why? Because it's a polarizing issue that can easily become a politicized one. I mentioned the abortion issue as being similar where a sizable majority feel that we should have some restrictions - like the rest of the Western world - yet collectively, our politicians won't touch it. Or privatizing healthcare - where people don't even recognize that more than 25% of Healthcare is already privatized.....and a majority feel that injecting some private competition would be a good thing - yet as soon as some baby steps are explored - "critics" cry American Style Healthcare. Capital Punishment? Same thing. Paralyzed by polarizing views. Edited May 26, 2015 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
PIK Posted May 26, 2015 Report Posted May 26, 2015 Funny how people go after harper as a war monger and then the same people support capital punishment. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Michael Hardner Posted May 27, 2015 Report Posted May 27, 2015 Which people ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
August1991 Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 My point is that the majority of Irish (63%) were for gay marriage. The consensus here was that the will of the people was upheld - that this is democracy at work. In Canada, about the same percentage (63%) of Canadians believe in the death penalty but none of the political parties support it. Why not have a referendum? BG, you are wrong in two ways 1. Democracy is not majority (50+1) rules. The "rights" of a minority should never be decided by a majority. (IMHO, a simple definition of democracy is that there is a peaceful way to get rid of the buggers.) 2. Canada is a civilized state and yet we often, collectively, condone murder. We order our soldiers to kill people (in Afghanstan for example) and we accept that our doctors undertake abortions. Quote
Big Guy Posted May 29, 2015 Author Report Posted May 29, 2015 Point taken. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Icebound Posted June 1, 2015 Report Posted June 1, 2015 The latest example why civilized nations have eliminated the death penalty is here https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/01/lesterbowertodie For 30 years they could not figure out whether to execute this guy, but now they are going to kill him, anyway Quote
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