WWWTT Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 PC 55 NDP 15 Wildrose 13 Liberal 2 LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NDP Majority my friend, if these numbers hold up are strengthen! Oh wait, what's this?????? http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/275/majority-government-seen-in-wake-of-debate WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NDP Majority my friend, if these numbers hold up are strengthen! Oh wait, what's this?????? http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/275/majority-government-seen-in-wake-of-debate WWWTT I guess you don't remember the 2012 election where all the polls picked the departure of the PCs in that election only to have another PC majority. I'm not saying the polls couldn't be right with all the issues surrounding Redford, the Wildrose crossover and such however I wouldn't bet anything solely on what the polls say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 How many people in BC actually believe in the idea of Cascadia? I know a fair amount of people in Oregon and they have never heard of it and moreso laugh at the idea. The magazine's survey found that 35.6 per cent of respondents from Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia agreed that "Western Canadians should begin to explore the idea of forming their own country." Source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I guess you don't remember the 2012 election where all the polls picked the departure of the PCs in that election only to have another PC majority. I'm not saying the polls couldn't be right with all the issues surrounding Redford, the Wildrose crossover and such however I wouldn't bet anything solely on what the polls say. Agreed. I am trying to choose my words carefully. Either way, with less than 2 weeks away from an election, there is a solid momentum swinging in favour of the NDP and they are going to see at least official party status in Alberta. I think it's safe to at least predict this. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 It would be great if people posted various polls and predictions, since there's a perception of volatility here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Quote The magazine's survey found that 35.6 per cent of respondents from Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia agreed that "Western Canadians should begin to explore the idea of forming their own country." Source Thats great that 35.6% of WESTERN Canadians think that WESTERN Canada should separate but my question was how many people in BC think they should become part of Cascadia which according to the wikipedia link consists mostly of BC, Washington State and Oregon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 It would be great if people posted various polls and predictions, since there's a perception of volatility here. I think a prediction right now is a shot in the dark. I hear what WWWTT is saying as the NDP certainly do have a following AND people are pissed at the PCs. However as per the last election, that dissention didn't translate into seats. The PC had only 43% of the popular vote but got 76% of the seats. Too tough to tell but I would suspect that the PC's remain in power but with a strong NDP minorty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Agreed. I am trying to choose my words carefully. Either way, with less than 2 weeks away from an election, there is a solid momentum swinging in favour of the NDP and they are going to see at least official party status in Alberta. I think it's safe to at least predict this. WWWTT Yes...I would agree with that too. The only wild card here is how many people vote Wild Rose versus NDP. The election right now is PC versus ANTI-PC. The problem with that is there are multiple parties to choose from in the ANTI-PC column. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 My source comes from a reference in wiki. Your's indicates 35.7 support for Cascadia in BC and 42% in Alberta. Of course it's a long shot but never say never. Given the right set of political and economic circumstances anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraboss Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 (edited) PC 55 NDP 15 Wildrose 13 Liberal 2 PC 41 NDP 19 Wildrose 26 Liberal 1 That really burns me to have to predict the PC minority (ANY win by the PCs sucks), but Jean blew it last night and it was his to win. Rachael dominated things but she doesn't stand a chance outside of Edmonton (which she'll take) and Calgary (where I think she'll get some). Rural Alberta will not go NDP and at this point will punish the PCs somewhat. I'm being overly generous even giving the Liberals one seat (I think almost all their support and that of the Alberta party will go to the NDP thanks to the performance of Gandalf the Grey last night). The only saving grace for the WR last night was that the more Notley beat up Jim, the more people that were moved to vote WR instead of PC. She did Brian's work for him. (edit -> you're two seats short by the way) Edited April 24, 2015 by Hydraboss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 My source comes from a reference in wiki. Your's indicates 35.7 support for Cascadia in BC and 42% in Alberta. No...they are all sourced from the same Western Standard Poll. The numbers you are quoting above are about secession from Canada not about Cascadia. It even says so right below the numbers: A research study by the Western Standard in 2005 found that support for exploring secession from Canada was at 35.7% in British Columbia, and 42% in Alberta.[31] While difficult to gauge support specifically in Washington and Oregon, because no research has been done for those states, a nationwide poll by Zogby International in 2008 found that 22% of Americans now support a state's or region's right to peacefully secede from the United States, the highest rate since the American Civil War.[32]However, none of these studies are specifically about forming an independent Cascadia. My questioning of Cascadia is whether or not people would want to leave Canada to join up with two American States that seem to not care about the idea (or so I would think). Separating with the Western Provinces seems to make more sense but still a long shot and not really something I would support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 What if they did it the Norwegian way? This is where you explain how you get the provinces to agree to completely rewrite the Constitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 She did Brian's work for him. Ya I don't think so. Throughout the evening Prentice addressed almost all his questions and remarks to the NDP leader, leaving Wildrose leader Brian Jean mostly unmolested to repeat over-rehearsed talking points at seemingly random intervals. Typically, this behaviour indicates that PC internal polling showed the NDP to be the real threat to the Premier. Taken from here https://ricochet.media/en/416/poll-alberta-new-democrats-now-in-majority-government-territory Rachel Notley looks like she has some real potential as a natural Canadian politician that comes along rarely even once in a generation! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraboss Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 But every time Notley scored a point on Jim, it worked in Jean's favor with those who will never vote NDP. The only place for conservative voters to go, if not to the PCs, is to the WR. Rachael > Jim = Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 But every time Notley scored a point on Jim, it worked in Jean's favor with those who will never vote NDP. The only place for conservative voters to go, if not to the PCs, is to the WR. Rachael > Jim = Brian Ok not a problem then. The polls should clearly reflect your opinion then, right? WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Rachel Notley looks like she has some real potential as a natural Canadian politician that comes along rarely even once in a generation! Depends on how you define 'natural'. Afterall she is the daughter of Grant Notley who was the NDP leader in 70s/80s. I trust like Trudeau Jr, she got some experience in her childhood that is helping now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydraboss Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Polls don't mean a damn thing in this province. The NDP had strong polling results, and it may even be stronger after last night. Unfortunately for Rachael, increasing the percentage of decided voters in ridings she was already likely to win doesn't help her one bit. Now, if there were some "balance of undecided" ridings, those could certainly be swayed but the majority of those tend to be between the PCs and the Wildrose. NDP ridings are NDP ridings (or Liberal/Alberta Party). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Depends on how you define 'natural'. Afterall she is the daughter of Grant Notley who was the NDP leader in 70s/80s. I trust like Trudeau Jr, she got some experience in her childhood that is helping now. Political shift through a debate is tremendous and a must know 101 for political junkies my friend! Quick run down here 1960 Kennedy vs Nixon 1984 Turner vs Mulroney Feel free to add some others. What really caught my eye is her success in a debate! If a politician is successful in a debate, then they easily qualify as being labelled as a "natural politician" I'm sure her line of work and home have influence. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Political shift through a debate is tremendous and a must know 101 for political junkies my friend! Quick run down here 1960 Kennedy vs Nixon 1984 Turner vs Mulroney Feel free to add some others. What really caught my eye is her success in a debate! If a politician is successful in a debate, then they easily qualify as being labelled as a "natural politician" I'm sure her line of work and home have influence. WWWTT Its easy to be successful in a debate when you promise everything for everyone but yet have no track record to prove you can back it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 That's just it. People complain about about giving this money to oil companies but in the same breath no one wants the government to own anything. If we are a capitalist nation then by defintion that means the government stays out. We're not a "capitalist nation." We are by definition a mixed economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 We're not a "capitalist nation." We are by definition a mixed economy. Pretty much every country is a mixed economy in practice however Canada has more capitalistic characteristics than socialistic/communist. Hence we are a capitalist nation. Perhaps not as much as the US but still capitalist nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Its easy to be successful in a debate when you promise everything for everyone but yet have no track record to prove you can back it up. Ya you're going to have to start posting some examples of what you are talking about to substantiate your opinion. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Ya you're going to have to start posting some examples of what you are talking about to substantiate your opinion. WWWTT I need to show you that the NDP have no experience at running Alberta? Seriously? Do you want me to show you that the sky is blue while I'm at it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I need to show you that the NDP have no experience at running Alberta? Seriously? Do you want me to show you that the sky is blue while I'm at it? LOL! You like avoiding giving Rachel any credit hey. You commented or rather discredited her strong performance as a debater. Back it up with some examples or you're just spewing UNSUBSTANTIATED opinion! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 LOL! You like avoiding giving Rachel any credit hey. You commented or rather discredited her strong performance as a debater. Back it up with some examples or you're just spewing UNSUBSTANTIATED opinion! WWWTT Back what up???? That she's not a strong debater? I never said she debated poorly rather I disputed the fact that she was a 'natural' since she grew up in a political household. Please try to read what people say. Its called comprehension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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