Canada vs Duffy vs PMO

[Topaz]

I wonder if there's anything to the fact Harper's director of issues development, Nick Koolsbergen was seen talking to Woodcock on the last day of the trial? Kory Teneycke say nothing was said but "hi" but he was there so what he says means nothing. I hope the Tories are stupid to infer with this court case. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/harper-facing-questions-after-pmo-staffer-spotted-talking-to-witness-at-duffy-trial-1.2535134

[PIK]

More crap from fife I see. What is happening here is a danger to democracy in Canada . And it starts with the left wing media and there pursuit of nothing, but yet wynne gets away scot free on everything. To bring down a gov over 95gs and let her stay after stealing and wasting billions. We have become the laughing stock in the free world.

[The_Squid]

More crap from fife I see. What is happening here is a danger to democracy in Canada . And it starts with the left wing media and there pursuit of nothing, but yet wynne gets away scot free on everything. To bring down a gov over 95gs and let her stay after stealing and wasting billions. We have become the laughing stock in the free world.

The PMO attempted to cover up the fraud and lied about it all along. They also attempted to whitewash an independent audit.

Those two things alone are excellent reasons to remove them from power.

[The_Squid]

The partisan hacks on this site must be part of the "6%ers"...

The 6-per-centers must represent the core of the core of the core of Conservative supporters in the country, people who would vote Conservative under any conceivable set of circumstances. After all, Conservative bedrock support is reckoned to be about 30 per cent, or maybe a trifle higher. So if only 6 per cent of respondents said the trial improved their opinion of the government, we’re talking about only a fifth of the core. Yikes.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/what-lasting-impression-will-the-duffy-trial-leave-on-voters/article26146915/

[cybercoma]

The PMO attempted to cover up the fraud and lied about it all along. They also attempted to whitewash an independent audit.

Those two things alone are excellent reasons to remove them from power.

And let's be clear. The PMO is Stephen Harper's office.

[The_Squid]

And let's be clear. The PMO is Stephen Harper's office.

And Harper either knew (most likely), or was being lied to by everyone in his office and couldn't figure out what was going on himself. And he has kept all these liars around, promoted a couple, except for Wright.

The liars in the PMO were also colluding with Senators. So Harper's hired hands wielded enough power to order around Senators.... and did so on their own?

It's totally absurd to think that Harper wasn't in charge of his own office. You would have to be naive in the extreme to believe these lines, especially when it has been demonstrated that Harper has been lying about it.

For those who do believe that he had no knowledge of these events, it then means that he was such a poor leader that he couldn't even get to the bottom of what occurred and figure out who did what in his own office for all these months!

Edited August 29, 2015 by The_Squid

[Smallc]

I was listening to Cross Country Checkup last week (I was in the car, so why not?). The first caller was a Conservative supporter. He's donated to the party for years, and voted for them in the last 4 elections. He has decided he'll vote for someone else this time. It's not the magnitude of the scandal, but the culture of entitlement that has crept up on this government. He can see it. Deep down, I could see it too. The Conservatives need to leave government for their own good, as well as the good of Canadians. Thomas Mulcair's NDP seems like the best alternative at this time.

[Keepitsimple]

I was listening to Cross Country Checkup last week (I was in the car, so why not?). The first caller was a Conservative supporter. He's donated to the party for years, and voted for them in the last 4 elections. He has decided he'll vote for someone else this time. It's not the magnitude of the scandal, but the culture of entitlement that has crept up on this government. He can see it. Deep down, I could see it too. The Conservatives need to leave government for their own good, as well as the good of Canadians. Thomas Mulcair's NDP seems like the best alternative at this time.

A telling tale for sure - and indeed, if I had to choose someone other than Harper, it would be Mulcair - and hope that he could keep the party close to the center. I'm very leery of his stand on free trade. As for Harper, I do believe that no matter what - including a majority - I think he'll hand the reins to someone else. The man is no dummy - he sees the writing - we are ALL fed up with the animosity, the secrecy, the scripted lines and non-answers. If he gets back in, look for a radical makeover in attitude and leadership - probably Jason Kenney - and a much more open and communicative government. So.......as it stands right now - and in the absence of a compelling alternative (Mark Garneau), I will likely hold my nose.......but hey - there's still two months to go so who knows, maybe I'll end up with you. Don't think so.....but I can't count it out.

[Smallc]

That's why for me, they need to go - to speed up that process.

[blueblood]

That's why for me, they need to go - to speed up that process.

I wouldnt say its looking good for them. Its hard to win hearts and minds by playing defence and scare mongering. Harper needs to have positive gdp numbers and get back to laying out ideas of why he needs to be re elected such as balanced budgets, good management, and tax relief.

[ReeferMadness]

I wouldnt say its looking good for them. Its hard to win hearts and minds by playing defence and scare mongering. Harper needs to have positive gdp numbers and get back to laying out ideas of why he needs to be re elected such as balanced budgets, good management, and tax relief.

Wouldn't it be easier to talk about those if he actually provided them?

[Smallc]

Wouldn't it be easier to talk about those if he actually provided them?

A billion or so in either direction is of no consequence.

[On Guard for Thee]

More crap from fife I see. What is happening here is a danger to democracy in Canada . And it starts with the left wing media and there pursuit of nothing, but yet wynne gets away scot free on everything. To bring down a gov over 95gs and let her stay after stealing and wasting billions. We have become the laughing stock in the free world.

So I guess you reckon bribery isn't really bribery unless it exceeds a certain dollar value?

[cybercoma]

Honestly, guys, the Duffy thing is the least of our concerns when you look at everything Akin laid bare there. No sitting government has been found in contempt of parliament until Harper's government. It had been 60 years since a sitting MP was thrown in jail and now happened under Harper's government. No sitting prime minister has had charges laid against his appointees until Harper's government. No other federal party has had charges and convictions associated with every election for 3 elections in a row until Harper became prime minister. This is what he's saying when he responds to someone and tells them to "square this." Conservative supporters can't possibly stand behind that. Nobody should. Harper promised openness, accountability, transparency, and ethics. Good luck fitting that square peg in the round circle that is the government he gave us.

[Smallc]

Honestly, guys, the Duffy thing is the least of our concerns when you look at everything Akin laid bare there. No sitting government has been found in contempt of parliament until Harper's government.

I'm not so concerned about that, given the partisan climate at the time...

It had been 60 years since a sitting MP was thrown in jail and now happened under Harper's government.

...but this,

No sitting prime minister has had charges laid against his appointees until Harper's government.

and this,

No other federal party has had charges and convictions associated with every election for 3 elections in a row until Harper became prime minister.

and this give me pause, and have caused me to rethink my choice.

This is what he's saying when he responds to someone and tells them to "square this." Conservative supporters can't possibly stand behind that. Nobody should. Harper promised openness, accountability, transparency, and ethics. Good luck fitting that square peg in the round circle that is the government he gave us.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Canadian PMs have virtually absolute power with a majority. That could have changed with Chong's bill, but, because of it being completely optional, it's useless.

[cybercoma]

That could have changed with Chong's bill, but, because of it being completely optional, it's useless.

Didn't that bill die in the senate? At least that's what I figured would happen to it. Or did it have all of its teeth extracted? Edited August 30, 2015 by cybercoma

[Smallc]

Didn't that bill die in the senate?

Did it? I didn't think so:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/06/22/michael-chongs-reform-act-passed-by-senate.html

[On Guard for Thee]

I'm not so concerned about that, given the partisan climate at the time...

Harper could have (and maybe should have) done jail time from that finding. He tried to dismiss it as simply "part of the game of democratic politics". How undemocratic is withholding information on government business?

[cybercoma]

[Chong] also agreed to subject all elements of the bill to a vote by each party’s caucus after each election. They could choose to adopt the rules, modify them, or go with the status quo.

*facepalm*

[Smallc]

Harper could have (and maybe should have) done jail time from that finding. He tried to dismiss it as simply "part of the game of democratic politics".

That's exactly what it was, in that case.

[Smallc]

*facepalm*

Exactly, a meaningless new law.

[cybercoma]

"Here's a law you can follow, if you want, or not...I mean, it's up to you guys really. You can just decide yourselves if it applies to you or not."

[On Guard for Thee]

That's exactly what it was, in that case.

Withholding file information which opposition MP's will be asked to vote on is not a "game" It's a crime.

[Smallc]

Withholding file information which opposition MP's will be asked to vote on is not a "game" It's a crime.

It was a game, I remember it well.

[On Guard for Thee]

It was a game, I remember it well.

A game that caused an election.