CSIS highlights White Supremacist threats ahead of radical Islam

[poochy]

That would presuppose the probability of the events were 1. They are not......that's what makes the different. Risk = Consequence x Probability. It seems to be a basic equation some have forgotten.

So tell us then, you, the all knowing, what are the real values of the variables you mention, you seem to be in the know, perhaps you work for CSIS and are privy to information concerning all of the people they watch and those they have arrested. Not a single one of you answers that question.

Or perhaps, like the rest of us you don't really know anything, but your incredible bias leads you around by the nose into the ever so intelligent opinion that you dislike conservatives, therefore no new laws are required. None of us know if new laws, C-51, or anything else is required, but only people like you are so self assured in your own ignorance and arrogance to presume to know that we don't. In other words, your incredibly full of shit, not that telling you matters, by your very nature you are incapable of the introspection that would be required to logically consider you own opinion and discard it for the nonsense that it is. Don't worry though, you are in the right place to find sympathetic ears.

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[jacee]

Apparent white supremacist shot by Calgary cops after disturbing peace rally: Witnesses

[Bob Macadoo]

None of us know if new laws, C-51, or anything else is required, ...

Why are you in such ardent support of it then? Or is it just orthodoxic support of the gov't? I have not said introducing new legislation to update our info gathering.....sharing capability is wrong. Alot of the individual clauses introduced in C51 try to combat minimal risk items as they play well to the mob. That's the downside to FPTP electing.....fooling 30% is all that's req'd.

[Argus]

Apparent white supremacist shot by Calgary cops after disturbing peace rally: Witnesses

You think disturbing a peace conference should be labelled terrorism?

[Bob Macadoo]

You think disturbing a peace conference should be labelled terrorism?

Well we're at an all-time limit if you are shot for disturbing the peace. Maybe he should've said "White hands up don't shoot".

[PIK]

I don't know if that been asked, but how many white supremacist have shot a soldier in the back at a war memorial, or run one over in a parking lot.

[Mighty AC]

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[On Guard for Thee]

I don't know if that been asked, but how many white supremacist have shot a soldier in the back at a war memorial, or run one over in a parking lot.

Well they have shot and killed people in Sikh temples and stabbed people at St. Pattys Day parades, for starters. Or does it have to be a soldier specifically killed to count...

[guyser]

I dont think the Moose was wearing a white hood when he dun killed 'em.

[jacee]

Well we're at an all-time limit if you are shot for disturbing the peace. Maybe he should've said "White hands up don't shoot".

Maybe look at the facts:

... caught up to the man in an alley and during a struggle with officers he brandished a metal pipe, leading police to open fire.

Edited March 24, 2015 by jacee

[jacee]

http://www.tworowtimes.com/opinions/opinion/neo-nazi-turned-native-ally-discusses-white-privilege-canadian-terror-laws/

It is even so acceptable to be a right wing extremist, or at least normalized to accept white supremacy in Canada, that even our current Prime Minister Stephen Harper had close association and proximity with a convicted white supremacist terrorist, Wolfgang Droege. In fact a scholar wrote about how Harper started an organization, The Northern Foundation, with Droege and others in the 1980s. The organization was pro-South African Apartheid. How much more obvious can it be?

[Smallc]

paranoid nonsense.

[jacee]

paranoid nonsense.

You didn't know that?

http://pushedleft.blogspot.ca/2009/10/stephen-harper-and-heritage-front.html?m=1

The Northern Foundation and the Heritage Front

"The Northern Foundation was established in 1989, originally as a pro-South Africa group . . . lists among the founding members of the Foundation both William Gairdner and Stephen Harper ... "

(Preston Manning and the Reform Party. Author: Murray Dobbin Goodread Biographies/Formac Publishing 1992 ISBN: 0-88780-161-7, pg. 100).

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[Argus]

http://www.tworowtimes.

com/opinions/opinion/neo-nazi-turned-native-ally-discusses-white-privilege-canadian-terror-laws/

It is even so acceptable to be a right wing extremist, or at least normalized to accept white supremacy in Canada, that even our current

Prime Minister Stephen Harper had close association and proximity with a convicted white supremacist terrorist, Wolfgang Droege.

I've seen nothing which indicates Harper ever met or knew Droege. Droege helped organize security at the behest of a local Reform Party

branch in Ontario when the party was just getting started. At the time, he was working as a bailiff. As soon as the RP found out about

his associations he was turfed.

In fact a scholar wrote about how Harper started an organization, The Northern Foundation, with Droege and others in the 1980s. The organization was pro-South African Apartheid. How much more obvious can it be?

Neither Droege nor Harper were involved in founding the Northern Foundation, which, as far as I can determine, was a right wing anti-Communist

group. It would almost certainly have been supportive of the South African regime since their opponents were mostly Communists and

Marxists. But then, the US and UK were also supportive of the South African government at the time, likely for the same reasons.

Edited March 24, 2015 by Argus

[Argus]

You didn't know that?

http://pushedleft.blogspot.ca/2009/10/stephen-harper-and-heritage-front.html?m=1

The Northern Foundation and the Heritage Front

"The Northern Foundation was established in 1989, originally as a pro-South Africa group . . . lists among the founding members of the Foundation both William Gairdner and Stephen Harper ... "

(Preston Manning and the Reform Party. Author: Murray Dobbin Goodread Biographies/Formac Publishing 1992 ISBN: 0-88780-161-7, pg. 100).

Linking to personal blogs by far left wackos is hardly a proper cite to prove anything here.

[poochy]

You didn't know that?

http://pushedleft.blogspot.ca/2009/10/stephen-harper-and-heritage-front.html?m=1

The Northern Foundation and the Heritage Front

"The Northern Foundation was established in 1989, originally as a pro-South Africa group . . . lists among the founding members of the Foundation both William Gairdner and Stephen Harper ... "

(Preston Manning and the Reform Party. Author: Murray Dobbin Goodread Biographies/Formac Publishing 1992 ISBN: 0-88780-161-7, pg. 100).

Not worth the electrons it was transmitted with.

[jacee]

Neither Droege nor Harper were involved in founding the Northern Foundation, which, as far as I can determine, was a right wing anti-Communist

group. It would almost certainly have been supportive of the South African regime since their opponents were mostly Communists and

Marxists. But then, the US and UK were also supportive of the South African government at the time, likely for the same reasons.

My my ... much dissembling and minimizing Argus.

Would you be in a position to know?

You'll have to refute the source.

The Northern Foundation was established in 1989, originally as a pro-South Africa group . . . lists among thefounding members of the Foundation both William Gairdner and Stephen Harper ... "

(Preston Manning and the Reform Party. Author: Murray Dobbin Goodread Biographies/Formac Publishing 1992 ISBN: 0-88780-161-7, pg. 100).

[Argus]

My my ... much dissembling and minimizing Argus.

Would you be in a position to know?

You'll have to refute the source.

Formac Publishing appears to be a tiny publisher in the Maritimes, and I don't consider Murray Dobbin to be a reputable source for anything.

Edited March 25, 2015 by Argus

[jacee]

How so?

Libeling Harper would be a risky move.

Edited March 26, 2015 by jacee

[PrimeNumber]

How so?

Libeling Harper would be a risky move.

I did find this on the interwebs, I may look into the book tomorrow when I'm rested.

In 1991 Harper told Trevor Harrison, who was researching his PhD on the Reform Party (later a book entitled Of Passionate Intensity): "I helped establish something called the Northern Foundation before it (much later) deteriorated into a kind of quasi-fascist organization. I was actually expelled from it. It's got stranger and stranger." Yet there was no doubt about what the organization stood for when Harper was still a member. And by his own account he didn't leave voluntarily.

Apparently he has admitted to being a member in 1991 and there's no denying the principles the group was founded on in 1989. It's almost kind of a slap in the face that he ends up attending Mandela's funeral, to pay respects to Mandela after he helped establish a group whose mandate it was to counter the release of Mandela from prison and to continue apartheid in South Africa.

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[Argus]

Apparently he has admitted to being a member in 1991 and there's no denying the principles the group was founded on in 1989.

It's almost kind of a slap in the face that he ends up attending Mandela's funeral, to pay respects to Mandela after he

helped establish a group whose mandate it was to counter the release of Mandela from prison and to continue apartheid in

South Africa.

A lot of people, myself included, supported South Africa and Rhodesia back then. My own basic belief was that the two choices were support a pro-West government which, while being a dictatorship, was reasonably stable and competent, or let a rabble of anti-Western Marxists take control and run the place into the ground. As we saw in Zimbabwe, that is precisely what happened. There's really no argument that Black Zimbabweans were better off in every respect under apartheid than they have been under Robert Mugabe's dictatorship.

As for Mandela, I underestimated him. He turned out to be a remarkable man and a true democrat. Unfortunately, he wasn't able to build anything lasting, and now that he's dead South Africa's delayed descent into a brutal Marxist dictatorship is well under way.

[Je suis Omar]

I thought this division of politics into left and right is mainly about economics. The nazis are called nazis because they were national socialists.

That's terribly, to be generous, naive. Yes, I'm certain everyone hates Nazis simply because of their national socialism.

[Je suis Omar]

There's really no argument that Black Zimbabweans were better off in every respect under apartheid than they have been under Robert Mugabe's dictatorship.

I think the US should bring back slavery. Them there black folks never had it so good. Steady employment and whatnot.

[PrimeNumber]

I think the US should bring back slavery. Them there black folks never had it so good. Steady employment and whatnot.

And sometimes they even fed them!