CSIS highlights White Supremacist threats ahead of radical Islam

[cybercoma]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/03/15/csis-highlights-white-supremacist-threat-ahead-of-radical-islam.html

OTTAWA—“Lone wolf” attacks more often come from white supremacists and extreme right-wing ideologies than from Islamic radicalism, internal CSIS documents say.

Citing recent academic research, the unclassified documents note extreme right-wing and white supremacist ideology has been the “main ideological source” for 17 per cent of so-called lone wolf attacks worldwide.

Islamic extremism accounted for 15 per cent of such attacks, the document noted, while left-wing extremism and “black power” groups followed with 13 per cent. Anti-abortion activism (8 per cent) and nationalism/separatism (7 per cent) rounded out the list, while in 40 per cent of cases there was no clear ideological motivation.

Read more at: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/03/15/csis-highlights-white-supremacist-threat-ahead-of-radical-islam.html

What is Ottawa doing about the threat from white supremacists and extreme right-wing ideologues? Combined they make up at least 25% of so-called "lone wolf" attacks and are a significant threat to the safety of Canadians. Meanwhile, Harper is intent on passing legislation to institute dress codes at ceremonies and highly intrusive secret police bills that undermine our fundamental rights. What is he doing about the right-wing extremists and white supremacists besides welcoming them into his ranks as MPs?

[-TSS-]

If you dislike ***** why is that branded as being extreme right-wing? What is right-wing about it? I thought this division of politics into left and right is mainly about economics. The nazis are called nazis because they were national socialists. The political spectrum is not a straight line but more fittinly like a horse-shoe where the extremes are closer to each other than either of them are to the centre.

Edited March 15, 2015 by Michael Hardner
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[Keepitsimple]

If you dislike ***** why is that branded as being extreme right-wing? What is right-wing about it? I thought this division of politics into left and right is mainly about economics. The nazis are called nazis because they were national socialists. The political spectrum is not a straight line but more fittinly like a horse-shoe where the extremes are closer to each other than either of them are to the centre.

The horse shoe analogy is a good one.

Edited March 15, 2015 by Michael Hardner
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[Keepitsimple]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/03/15/csis-highlights-white-supremacist-threat-ahead-of-radical-islam.html

What is Ottawa doing about the threat from white supremacists and extreme right-wing ideologues? Combined they make up at least 25% of so-called "lone wolf" attacks and are a significant threat to the safety of Canadians. Meanwhile, Harper is intent on passing legislation to institute dress codes at ceremonies and highly intrusive secret police bills that undermine our fundamental rights.

So what are you suggesting - that Harper should run for President of the US so he can address their centuries-old white-supremacist dilemma? What does White Supremacy have to do with Canada? Another attempt by The Star to change the channel on the grass-roots popularity that is propelling the Conservatives. The Star's editorial page was out in full-force today....Letters to the Editor were headlined with "Harper has Blood on his Hands" because we lost a soldier in a friendly fire incident. Yesterday, their pit bull Heather Mallick had a column pushing the John Williamson comments completely over the top while gushing over the "courageous" speech by Justin Trudeau. Expect more over-the-top reporting as Trudeau falls in the polls. The Star never learns - they tried to pillory Rob Ford during his run to be mayor - and all it did was raise his popularity. Be careful what you wish for.

[Michael Hardner]

What does White Supremacy have to do with Canada?

Well, it's a problem here - probably on the same scale as other fringe group terrorists right ?

People seem to be making the point that the government uses foreigners to provoke fear, and ender political support. It's a valid question. I do think people are more afraid of the unknown and unfamilliar, and there's not much anybody can do about that.

[Keepitsimple]

Well, it's a problem here - probably on the same scale as other fringe group terrorists right ?

People seem to be making the point that the government uses foreigners to provoke fear, and ender political support. It's a valid question. I do think people are more afraid of the unknown and unfamilliar, and there's not much anybody can do about that.

Maybe I've forgotten - or maybe CSIS nips it in the bud and we never hear anything.......but |I can't recall any White Supremacist activity in Canada in the recent past.....haven't seen any KKK hoods......other than that Liberal MP out in BC that set a cross on fire.....can't recall her name?

Edited March 15, 2015 by Keepitsimple

[eyeball]

Can't recall a BC Liberal's ideology either apparently.

[Guest]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/03/15/csis-highlights-white-supremacist-threat-ahead-of-radical-islam.html

What is Ottawa doing about the threat from white supremacists and extreme right-wing ideologues? Combined they make up at least 25% of so-called "lone wolf" attacks and are a significant threat to the safety of Canadians. Meanwhile, Harper is intent on passing legislation to institute dress codes at ceremonies and highly intrusive secret police bills that undermine our fundamental rights. What is he doing about the right-wing extremists and white supremacists besides welcoming them into his ranks as MPs?

I guess there is good reason for C51 after all. A highly intrusive secret police bill that could help prevent White Supremecists from killing me at the West Ed Mall.

Would you have any objection, should one of these groups be caught committing a violent act, to identifying them as White Supremacists, and identifying the ideology behind their actions?

Edited March 15, 2015 by bcsapper

[-TSS-]

Well, it's a problem here - probably on the same scale as other fringe group terrorists right ?

People seem to be making the point that the government uses foreigners to provoke fear, and ender political support. It's a valid question. I do think people are more afraid of the unknown and unfamilliar, and there's not much anybody can do about that.

Since, as I understand, you are some sort of boss of this forum I would have expected a bit more rationale and analysing approach than just the usual ignorants dislike foreigners-statement.

I don't know about Canada but I could dig up dozens different examples why immigration is bad for Finland just for 2015 and we are stil in March.

[cybercoma]

I guess there is good reason for C51 after all. A highly intrusive secret police bill that could help prevent White Supremecists from killing me at the West Ed Mall.

Would you have any objection, should one of these groups be caught committing a violent act, to identifying them as White Supremacists, and identifying the ideology behind their actions?

I absolutely would still object to C-51 on the grounds that it's a violation of human rights to curtail extremely rare circumstances. It's too easy to exploit for abuse and offers little additional protection that we don't already have.

[cybercoma]

Since, as I understand, you are some sort of boss of this forum I would have expected a bit more rationale and analysing approach than just the usual ignorants dislike foreigners-statement.

I don't know about Canada but I could dig up dozens different examples why immigration is bad for Finland just for 2015 and we are stil in March.

Finland's immigration correlates to a change in the definition of rape, which is why the number of rapes increased in the country. It has little to do with immigration itself. More importantly, immigrants are policed far more than native Finns, which of course skews the statistics to make it seem like immigrants are committing more crimes. They're simply caught more, which is also what people ignore about US racial problems.

There've been studies that show white people proportionately use more illicit drugs, but are charged and incarcerated far less than blacks. That's because black people's communities are policed more, so the uniformed police statistics make it appear as though they're committing more crime because they're caught more and are more likely to go through the judicial system and far more likely to receive prison time than white people who commit the same crimes.

Racist interpretations of statistics ignore the social context of those statistics in an attempt to make it look like there's some empirical grounding for intolerance and hatred.

[Michael Hardner]

Maybe I've forgotten - or maybe CSIS nips it in the bud and we never hear anything.......but |I can't recall any White Supremacist activity in Canada in the recent past.....

Right, because history starts again after 2001 or ... ? Anyway: We've had extreme right-wing groups... Marxist-type terror groups... in the 1980s.

[cybercoma]

Related from a few years ago:

The number of groups whose ideology is organized against specific racial, religious, sexual or other characteristics has risen steadily since 2000, when 602 were identified, the center said. Antigay groups, for example, have risen to 27 from 17 in 2010.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/08/us/number-of-us-hate-groups-on-the-rise-report-says.html?_r=0

These are groups bent on violence and terrorism that are seldom considered by the media and almost never considered nationalists who call for stricter immigration policy to stop terrorism. These groups are rarely considered in these discussions of terrorism, despite accounting for more incidents worldwide than radical Islamists.

[-TSS-]

Finland's immigration correlates to a change in the definition of rape, which is why the number of rapes increased in the country. It has little to do with immigration itself. More importantly, immigrants are policed far more than native Finns, which of course skews the statistics to make it seem like immigrants are committing more crimes. They're simply caught more, which is also what people ignore about US racial problems.

There've been studies that show white people proportionately use more illicit drugs, but are charged and incarcerated far less than blacks. That's because black people's communities are policed more, so the uniformed police statistics make it appear as though they're committing more crime because they're caught more and are more likely to go through the judicial system and far more likely to receive prison time than white people who commit the same crimes.

Racist interpretations of statistics ignore the social context of those statistics in an attempt to make it look like there's some empirical grounding for intolerance and hatred.

Sweden and Finland! Two of most cosiest places on the planet. You can't seriously claim that the statistics wouldn't paint the ethnics in a better light.

As I've said before, I don't know the Canadian system .

Edited March 15, 2015 by -TSS-

[cybercoma]

I just explained the statistics and why your interpretation is misleading.

[Guest]

I absolutely would still object to C-51 on the grounds that it's a violation of human rights to curtail extremely rare circumstances. It's too easy to exploit for abuse and offers little additional protection that we don't already have.

How would you know? Maybe they saved your life today.

They probably wouldn't tell you.

[cybercoma]

How would you know? Maybe they saved your life today.

They probably wouldn't tell you.

If they saved my life today, then C-51 is unnecessary because it hasn't been passed yet.

[Michael Hardner]

Since, as I understand, you are some sort of boss of this forum I would have expected a bit more rationale and analysing approach than just the usual ignorants dislike foreigners-statement.

I did analyze the politics. The content has already been discussed to death elsewhere.

I don't know about Canada but I could dig up dozens different examples why immigration is bad for Finland just for 2015 and we are stil in March.

Again, it's been discussed to death elsewhere - go have a look at those threads. If you could explain at a high level how an argument such as this could prove the point then I would engage with it. Otherwise, it's been discussed already, and people weren't convinced. Meanwhile, our Conservative orthodoxy continues and includes immigration as a driver to economic growth. Some have put forward other reasons for these decisions, but they're not convincing to me, especially given the current government's proclivity for putting Muslims under the ethnic microscope.

[Guest]

If they saved my life today, then C-51 is unnecessary because it hasn't been passed yet.

I thought it was just an ammendment. My mistake.

I hope it passes so they can save my life tomorrow. Why should you be the only one to benefit?

[cybercoma]

I thought it was just an ammendment. My mistake.

I hope it passes so they can save my life tomorrow. Why should you be the only one to benefit?

What are you talking about? I voiced my objections. Do you really think they won't be able to save your life tomorrow without this bill? Do you think you're at any greater risk of dying from terrorism? You're many times more likely to be killed by a cop. You're more likely to be hit by lightning. And as the OP article shows, people are far more likely to be killed by right wing extremists and white supremacists. Your fear is best described as irrational. Stop buying into the politics of fear and giving all future governments the ability to violate your fundamental human rights because you're afraid of something that's not only highly unlikely, but also already combatted against by our current legislation.

Edited March 15, 2015 by cybercoma

[GostHacked]

How would you know? Maybe they saved your life today.

They probably wouldn't tell you.

If they did, it's all under the current guidelines. Which work, aside from needing more oversight and accountability.

[GostHacked]

I thought it was just an ammendment. My mistake.

I hope it passes so they can save my life tomorrow. Why should you be the only one to benefit?

None of us benefit from this. Only those in power benefit from this.

[Argus]

Well, it's a problem here - probably on the same scale as other fringe group terrorists right ?

It is? White supremacists plotted to blow up a train? White Supremacists attacked parliament? White supremacists planned to behead Harper and knock down the CN tower? Why have I never heard of any of these cases. Why have I not heard of ANY white supremacist terrorist attacks in Canada?

This seems like yet another desperate attempt by the far left to focus attention away from Muslims and onto the people they have always despised; White Christian men.

[Michael Hardner]

It is? White supremacists plotted to blow up a train? White Supremacists attacked parliament? White supremacists planned to behead Harper and knock down the CN tower? Why have I never heard of any of these cases. Why have I not heard of ANY white supremacist terrorist attacks in Canada?

Well, if you're measuring actual attacks we only have a few to go by. Again, it's on the same scale.

This seems like yet another desperate attempt by the far left to focus attention away from Muslims and onto the people they have always despised; White Christian men.

You either are talking about threats or perceived threats, which is it ? Actual threats are on the same scale, but the fear is not.

[Guest]

What are you talking about? I voiced my objections. Do you really think they won't be able to save your life tomorrow without this bill? Do you think you're at any greater risk of dying from terrorism? You're many times more likely to be killed by a cop. You're more likely to be hit by lightning. And as the OP article shows, people are far more likely to be killed by right wing extremists and white supremacists. Your fear is best described as irrational. Stop buying into the politics of fear and giving all future governments the ability to violate your fundamental human rights because you're afraid of something that's not only highly unlikely, but also already combatted against by our current legislation.

I don't have any fear. Well, not the kind of fear you're talking about. Either from White Supremacists or my own government. Islamists? Tricky. They did call for an attack on the West Edmonton Mall. I go there occasionally. They could have been kidding, but who knows?

I'll let you know when I feel my rights violated.