Leave Canada And Go To Jail

eyeball · March 16, 2015

But they happen to be liars and murderers. I know you have a hard time telling the difference though.

They're far and away more honest about why they hate us than why we hate them. Christ on a stick we're such craven liars we can't even admit it to ourselves.

Smallc · March 16, 2015

They're far and away more honest about why they hate us than why we hate them. Christ on a stick we're such craven liars we can't even admit it to ourselves.

We hate them so much that we let in untold people that share their culture and religion every year.

GostHacked · March 16, 2015

Which I think is part of the problem with some on this board. They cannot see bigger pictures or how other things connect. Compartmentalized thought process allows most here to not think esoterically which contributes them to not being able to see the bigger picture. Stuck on one level and buying whatever the government wants to feed you. Think for yourself.

I will just expand on this a bit.

What most of you need to look at is the same type of legislation that has been passed in Canada, US, UK, Australia and New Zealand. All within the same time frame. All with the same rhetoric. All with the population half asleep and the other half mad. All because of terrorism. The timing of said terror attacks are followed by lawmakers, politicians and police saying they need more power to protect us.

When do you realize that no amount of protection will keep you 100% safe. No matter how they try to spin it. And each time an attack happened, the police state ramps up some more. Even if it's a small incident.

But again compartmentalized thinking allows one to look at Canada and nothing else. Once you understand that terror laws are being implemented all over the westernized world, and some nations putting laws in that really have no threat of terrorism (New Zealand).

Harper also used the same speech as Brown did.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/20/australia-and-canada-a-conservative-romance

t was early March, 2013. Former Australian prime minister John Howard took the stage in a cavernous convention hall in Ottawa. “Can I start by saying you have no reason to be concerned about the state of conservatism in this country,” he
who’d gathered for the Manning Centre’s annual networking conference. “I can’t find a better conservative leader anywhere in the world than [Canadian prime minister] Stephen Harper. I really can’t.”
One wonders whether Howard would say the same thing now. Not because Harper’s recent domestic scandal has called into question the purity of his party’s convictions, the increasing centralisation of power in his office, and his own leadership qualities, but because he now has what many consider an ideological body-double Down Under. But as much as Canada’s Conservative party membership may love to hear how similar they are to their Australian cousins, it might be one key difference that matters most in the long run.

Perhaps not since Harper recited one of Howard’s speeches verbatim, without credit, in the House of Commons, have the Canadian and Australian governments been reading so closely from the same page. The two nations were jointly responsible for blocking a Commonwealth initiative to establish a climate fund for poor nations in November; Abbott has, as Harper did, promised to squash asylum seekers landing ashore by boat from Asia; and Abbott’s platform carried the promise of further mandatory minimum sentencing for gun crimes. The Harper government has already implemented the same for some sexual and drug offences.

Interesting to hear the exact same speech word for word when played next to one another. What is going on here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtd7o9x5uN0

eyeball · March 16, 2015

We hate them so much that we let in untold people that share their culture and religion every year.

Okay, but that still avoids answering why we hate them.

LemonPureLeaf · March 16, 2015

Careful now christian soldier, you dont want your blood pressure getting away on you again.

Why are you talking about me personally?

What leads you to the conclusion that im a Christian?

Why do you believe that my blood pressure has risen at all?

A thread isn't the place for personal queries. That's what a pm is for. Please refrain from cluttering up the thread with such things in the future. Thank you.

Edited March 16, 2015 by LemonPureLeaf

On Guard for Thee · March 16, 2015

Why are you talking about me personally?

What leads you to the conclusion that im a Christian?

Why do you believe that my blood pressure has risen at all?

A thread isn't the place for personal queries. That's what a pm is for. Please refrain from cluttering up the thread with such things in the future. Thank you.

And comments about going aroud beheading people and putting their heads on fence posts isnt clutter...Please

Smallc · March 16, 2015

Okay, but that still avoids answering why we hate them.

We don't. That's the point.

Keepitsimple · March 16, 2015

Okay, but that still avoids answering why we hate them.

I second that. We don't - and that's the point.

guyser · March 16, 2015

1. Busted for Training in military arts, and engaging in political and religious teachings.

Any examples?

What about sex in Albania where age of consent is only 14? Pedro in Canada not albania, austria, argentina, Brazil, Brunei, bulgaria

Burkino FASA is 13... Chile 12....Columbia 12 mexico 12?

Point is legal age of consent varies Pedro here, not rape there.

It would appear while hoprribly immoral, it would not be an arrestable offence here.

Yes there should be a global citizenship for the stateless where human rights are upheld. People should be able to escape national socialism. Sat phones are about 1 dollar a minute

Ok...where you going to live then? The ocean? I suppose that would work, however all supplies would be brought to you....at huge expense.

People should have human rights upheld like mobility rights and right to employment, and inclusion. the base of all nations laws should be inclusive of international human rights and all peoples in those territories should have those benefits.

It is here.

eyeball · March 19, 2015

I second that. We don't - and that's the point.

So we've been inflicting murderous vicious dictatorships on Muslims because we love them?

Bonam · March 19, 2015

So we've been inflicting murderous vicious dictatorships on Muslims because we love them?

There's a lot of things between love and hate. And neither one has much to do with the foreign policy of Western nations.

Big Guy · March 19, 2015

I believe that love and hate are not the two ends of the emotional spectrum. Both require that the person cares and is interested. The opposite to love is apathy and the opposite to hate is apathy. The opposite to caring is not caring.

guyser · March 19, 2015

What...Deep Thoughts w Jack Handey ^ ?

eyeball · March 19, 2015

There's a lot of things between love and hate. And neither one has much to do with the foreign policy of Western nations.

Well it can't be our hatred of oil. Edited March 20, 2015 by eyeball

Big Guy · March 20, 2015

Yes, It appears that our decision to jail those Canadians who want to go to fight for ISIS is crucial to the war against ISIS. We do require far more aggressive laws to screen Canadians since we do not want to turn the tide against the coalition of the dumb.

http://www.rferl.org/contentinfographics/infographics/26584940.html

It is obvious that it is worth giving up some freedoms so that we keep all those Canadians from fleeing the country and joining ISIL. :rolleyes:

Keepitsimple · March 20, 2015

Yes, It appears that our decision to jail those Canadians who want to go to fight for ISIS is crucial to the war against ISIS. We do require far more aggressive laws to screen Canadians since we do not want to turn the tide against the coalition of the dumb.

http://www.rferl.org/contentinfographics/infographics/26584940.html

It is obvious that it is worth giving up some freedoms so that we keep all those Canadians from fleeing the country and joining ISIL.

Interesting statistics. Did you notice the very high per-capita rates of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and the Netherlands? What do you think all those friendly, Northern countries have in common that might have led to that?

Edited March 20, 2015 by Keepitsimple

Big Guy · March 20, 2015

I agree. It might be difficult for blue eyed blond Nordics to fit well into the typical Middle East fighters.

It would be interesting to delve into those statistics (for all counties) to find out if those flocking to ISIL are Middle East diaspora or native Scandinavians joining the cause. If it is diaspora then it may be Sunni relatives going back to fight along side their relatives and fairly easy to understand but if it is native Scandinavians then the reasons may be troubling.

Keepitsimple · March 20, 2015

I agree. It might be difficult for blue eyed blond Nordics to fit well into the typical Middle East fighters.

It would be interesting to delve into those statistics (for all counties) to find out if those flocking to ISIL are Middle East diaspora or native Scandinavians joining the cause. If it is diaspora then it may be Sunni relatives going back to fight along side their relatives and fairly easy to understand but if it is native Scandinavians then the reasons may be troubling.

Do you really think there are blonde-haired ISIS fighters? Since it was you that provided the link, you should take a hard look at what it implies. The Scandinavian countries have always been models of tolerance and inclusion - along with a Social Democratic framework. Do a Google on their more recent immigration policies as they try to close the barn door......what should be very "troubling" to you is that if we don't start weeding out the extremist elements before they have a chance to take hold, we could end up like the Europeans and more recently, these Scandinavian countries. Ignore what's going on all around the world at your own peril.

Argus · March 20, 2015

Interesting statistics. Did you notice the very high per-capita rates of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and the Netherlands? What do you think all those friendly, Northern countries have in common that might have led to that?

Generous immigration and refugee systems which have permitted a large number of people from the middle east to settle there. Clearly a lot of those people are not quite fully integrated into the tolerant political culture of the Nordic countries...

Edited March 20, 2015 by Argus

Wilber · March 20, 2015

Canadians under 18 require parental consent to travel outside Canada. If a kid of mine was suborned by someone like ISIS, I'd be damned glad if someone stopped them.

Big Guy · March 21, 2015

To Keepitsimple - I assumed that your interest was one of pragmatism and a desire for facts. You app[ear to be into some argument with someone that the cause and problems are with the Muslims etc. I have avoided those arguments because I find no merit in the process. I have read what positions different people have taken and am quite comfortable in my view and have no interest in trying to convince others of that view. I post and participate to get other posters views as to how and why they have developed those views.

I then evaluate the credibility of the poster based on his/her previous positions, interactions with others and the research from which these views were created. I then allocate the value of their position based on that criteria.

I have no interest in arguing with you. I thought that you were really interested in what these statistics might show. You appear to have a very strong view and look at all information through the prism of that view. Good for you.

Keepitsimple · March 21, 2015

I have no interest in arguing with you. I thought that you were really interested in what these statistics might show. You appear to have a very strong view and look at all information through the prism of that view. Good for you.

No argument required - I asked a straight forward question based on an article that you posted - and that was - why do you think every Nordic country had a very high representation of people who went to fight with ISIS? In addition to that question, may I ask what you intended the information to show? It's called debate - back and forth. Your view may not be 100% accurate.....and neither might mine.....but until we debate the facts, we'll never move the discussion forward, will we? So that's two questions for you......why not answer them and perhaps ask me one or two in return?

Je suis Omar · March 31, 2015

... people with children and families. As a civilized country, we owe it to ourselves and others that when we have information that would lead us to believe such happenings - we should try to stop it. Apparently, you prefer to just let things happen - more killings, more atrocities. You're entitled to your opinion but I think if you reflect on the consequences of it, you might want to be persuaded to change your mind.

Yes, what are those from a civilized country like Canada to do?

I don't mean to abuse you with verbal violence, but you have to understand what your government (US government) and its agents are doing. They go into villages, they haul out families. With the children forced to watch they castrate the father, they peel the skin off his face, they put a grenade in his mouth and pull the pin. With the children forced to watch they gang-rape the mother, and slash her breasts off. And sometimes for variety, they make the parents watch while they do these things to the children.

This is nobody's propaganda. There have been over 100,000 American witnesses for peace who have gone down there and they have filmed and photographed and witnessed these atrocities immediately after they've happened, and documented 13,000 people killed this way, mostly women and children. These are the activities done by these contras. The contras are the people president Reagan calls `freedom fighters'. He says they're the moral equivalent of our founding fathers. And the whole world gasps at this confession of his family traditions.

Big Guy · August 10, 2015

PM Harper is at it again:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/harper-promises-broader-crackdown-on-terror-tourism-1.2508799

The Conservatives are determined to keep the fear of terrorists alive so they make an announcement about every week. It makes no difference if it is old news but "those terrorists are gonna come get us"!

He is still harping on some cockamammy theory that Canadians cannot leave to go to places that the Conservatives think are "terrorist" nations. When crazies who want to join conflicts in other parts of the world are forced to stay here, they get upset and start doing damage here.

The problem is not with potential terrorists leaving Canada - IT IS IN POTENTIAL TERRORISTS COMING INTO CANADA!!!!!

The whole process is smoke and mirrors. If a person cannot go directly from A to B, then they go from A to C and then to B.

HELLO!!

This is the first time that I can remember any Canadian government telling Canadians where they cannot go. East Berlin did that for a while and used to shoot people trying to get out. Many put their lives in danger to flee the old Soviet Union.

But to not be able to flee Canada?????

By the way, is Iraq or Turkey or Syria or Lebanon or Yemen or Beirut or Afghanistan or Libya or Saudi Arabia or Emerates or China or Russia or .... terrorist countries? Do not worry - fearless leader will tell us which are the good guys and bad guys and make sure we don't go to the bad guys.

Good grief!

*** Just saw his news conference on TV. He sated, "There is absolutely no right in this country to travel to an area under the governance of terrorists. THAT IS NOT A HUMAN RIGHT".

That is correct, fearless leader is now going to decide what is and is not a human right depending on his political ideology and conservative agenda.

Good, good Grief!!!

Edited August 10, 2015 by Big Guy

Icebound · August 10, 2015

To interrupt the pi$$ing match for a short instant.

Right now in Canada, we have all kinds of "terrorists" who "could" do something: Russian Mafia, Outlaw biker gangs, street gangs, Lawyers, etc.etc.

For the most part, we know who they are, what they do, who there associates are, where they travel. Yet only once in a while do we manage to actually convict one, and it is usually after the fact.

It is LUDICROUS to believe that.... (even if constitutional which I doubt) .... the proposed travel ban can be meaningfully enforced. Russian Mafia arrive in North America via Israel pretending to be Jews. Canadian radicals could go to Syria via BRAZIL, as tourists, or South Africa, as students.... or wherever. And now you are into a super-complex web of political decision-making that cannot possibly be fair or even based on the known realities. How CAN we REALLY know what someone is thinking???.

Russia and Ukraine is a perfect example... and almost certainly a traveler to Western Russia could be suspect of supporting the pro-russian insurgency in Eastern Ukraine. But the government of Ukraine itself is not pure.... Would fighting against the so-called Ukrainian Taliban, (which is vowing to burn Moscow) ... would fighting against them be a Canadian crime, because Russia is not on "our" side?

We cannot know what anybody is thinking. This is an open society. It has to remain an open society, or it will not be worth living in. If we have evidence of wrongdoing, arrest, try, convict, punish. If we suspect and want to investigate further, fine. But to presume that we can "prevent" Canadian militants from leaving is just as useless as presuming to "prevent" Russian mafioso from entering.

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