Netanyahu Ambition Over Patriotism?

[Big Guy]

Benjamin Netanyahu has created a hornets nest in Israel through his actions in relation to Iran. He has been accused of leaking information on negotiations with Iran and appears to want to undermine any American brokered agreement with Iran on nuclear weapons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/us/politics/white-house-expresses-displeasure-over-speech-planned-by-netanyahu.html?_r=0

I think it is a mistake for Bibi to get involved in American politics. He may have a say in the way that Obama deals with Israel but to get involved and try to manipulate American foreign policy is a major mistake. Even the most fervent pro-Israeli politicians, if forced to choose between their president and another nation will back their president.

The way is being paved for a very, very important speech that Netanyahu intends to give in Washington. If he does go ahead with criticizing the direction the president is taking on Iran it will be interesting to see the reaction of the patriotic Republicans and especially the Republicans wanting to be the next president.

Bibi is being roundly criticized in Israel and this speech may cost him the coming election.

Personally, I feel that American negotiations with Iran have been going well. I also believe that co-operation with Iran is the key to the ISIL fiasco going on in the Middle East.

With all the $billions that the USA has been and is pouring into Israel, I guess the Israeli tail is ready to wag the American dog.

Most dogs do quite well without a tail.

Edited February 22, 2015 by Big Guy

[Shady]

Bibi is very popular in Israel. Much more popular than Obama. And Israel has a vested interest in the deal Obama brokers with nut-job Iran. Given Obama's track record with Putin, and Assad, etc, Isreal has a right to be worried.

[Shady]

And are you suggesting that Bibi's not patriotic? Because in a different thread you suggest that that's wrong, and only in America? Which is it?

[Big Guy]

Those in Israel are accusing Netanyahu of placing personal ambition over the long term security of Israel - which requires a very close and positive relationship with the USA. Those in Israel know Bibi a lot better than I do.

[Shady]

Those in Israel are accusing Netanyahu of placing personal ambition over the long term security

There's some in America that think that of Obama.

[Shady]

Perhaps you should link to those "some" in Israel instead of linking to the White House some. Of course the White House is going to disapprove of the speech. They're ideologues that won't even admit that radical Islamism even exists.

[Rue]

Netanyahu leaked nothing. The White House openly admitted the leak came from them. They didn't even try hide it. Lol. Another day another anti Israel fable from Big Guy.

[WWWTT]

And Israel has a vested interest in the deal Obama brokers with nut-job Iran.

Nut job Iran????

Ok buddy if you say so?

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVjmNNOpU4TAA9NwnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEzdTVkMm0wBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1lIUzAwMl8x/RV=2/RE=1424663822/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.infowars.com%2fstrategic-importance-of-iran-for-russia-and-china-eurasian-%25e2%2580%259ctriple-alliance%25e2%2580%259d%2f/RK=0/RS=8ej0mS0LHj_dxtX3KuodTu_Wk1g-

There's a good reason why you won't see the US or Israel invade Iran.

If Israel invaded Iran, Russia and China would help Iran crush it's opponent!

Lets all be buddies now and make money.

WWWTT

[Shady]

Nut job Iran????

Yep. Nut job Iran.

[WWWTT]

Yep. Nut job Iran.

Well, for a "nut job" country, they are on the winning side.

Guess that's why the US wants to kiss their ass now and play nice.

WWWTT

[Big Guy]

Rue - By now you may have realized that I have little respect for your bizarre name calling and at times a paranoid-like protection of anything you see as anti-Jewish. I am a Canadian, proud of it and make suggestions that I think are good for Canada. I really do not care what happens to Israel except where it might negatively effect Canada. If something is good for Canada and consequently bad for Israel then I say go for it. If it is bad for Israel then too bad!

I am also tired of giving you impartial references for my posts. This is the last time I am doing this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/18/us-usa-iran-whitehouse-idUSKBN0LM1ZH20150218

and;

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/02/22/how-us-diplomatic-strategy-gave-netanyahu-leverage

I still am unable to cut and paste internet addresses into this page so I have to key them in. It takes time and effort and a lot of editing of my typing mistakes - time and effort that I am no longer prepared to spend on you. I do not care what you think. Go bug somebody else.

[Big Guy]

Shady - Obama is done in two more years. How is his position on terrorism going to effect his ambition?

[Shady]

Well, for a "nut job" country, they are on the winning side.

Guess that's why the US wants to kiss their ass now and play nice.

WWWTT

Not sure what they're winning. Let me know when they stone the next woman or homosexual. #NutJobIran

[WWWTT]

Not sure what they're winning. Let me know when they stone the next woman or homosexual. #NutJobIran

Better economic future.

As far as stoning people goes, let them deal with their own laws.

Or better yet, why don't you go there and tell them how to live. I'm sure they will appreciate it!

WWWTT

[Shady]

Better economic future.

As far as stoning people goes, let them deal with their own laws.

Or better yet, why don't you go there and tell them how to live. I'm sure they will appreciate it!

WWWTT

If by better economic future you mean soley dependent on oil, lower standard of living, lower income and less freedom, than yes!

[WWWTT]

If by better economic future you mean soley dependent on oil, lower standard of living, lower income and less freedom, than yes!

No that's not what I mean.

I'm sure their economy has taken some hard hits. But apparently things are looking up for them if they continue to move away from the hard core religion.

WWWTT

[marcus]

No that's not what I mean.

I'm sure their economy has taken some hard hits. But apparently things are looking up for them if they continue to move away from the hard core religion.

WWWTT

You shouldn't confuse the lad's black and white world. He needs a bogeyman and a team to cheer for, otherwise things start feeling confusing again.

[marcus]

I enjoyed the ad in NYT:

[Michael Hardner]

I enjoyed the ad in NYT:

Clever. They posted a picture of a broken link to imply that the newspaper is here to stay ? or...

[Rue]

Oh look who quotes the NIAC and who thinks they are clever. Marcus and Mr. Harder. Good for you guys.

Oh say now do you guys remember this article?

Oh come now. You want to push this group as credible, lets talk shall we.

Now by the way, just in case you would claim this article does not exist its on a pro Iranian site linked to the NIAC.

http://counterjihadreport.com/2012/09/22/niac-loses-defamation-suit-pro-tehran-group-harshly-criticized-by-judge-forced-to-pay-attorneys-fees/

NIAC Loses Defamation Suit – Pro-Tehran group harshly criticized by judge, forced to pay attorney’s fees

Posted on September 22, 2012

By Adam Kredo:

An Iranian-American advocacy group long suspected of concealing its illicit ties to the Iranian regime recently lost a four-year court battle aimed at silencing one of its principal critics.

The left-leaning National Iranian American Council (NIAC)—which describes itself as a nonprofit educational organization that advocates in favor of increased U.S. engagement with Iran—sued Seid Hassan Daioleslam in 2008. The group alleged Daioleslam defamed the organization by claiming that it clandestinely lobbied American government officials on behalf of the Iranian regime.

Federal District Court Judge John B. Bates cleared Daioleslam of the defamation charges last week after a protracted and oftentimes bitter battle between the two sides. Bates upbraided NIAC throughout his 23-page decision for failing to make its case and for intentionally hindering the discovery process.

“I believe they intentionally withheld documents,” Daioleslam told the Free Beacon. “The documents [NIAC has] not turned over not only hampered the legal proceedings, they deprived the American people from knowing what’s going on behind the scenes.”

Court documents show that NIAC officials inappropriately altered internal documents, withheld certain pieces of correspondence, and produced mysteriously incomplete records.

Daioleslam and other NIAC opponents maintain the organization is still camouflaging its pro-Tehran activity.

“It is a great pleasure to see [Daioleslam] vindicated at long last from the harassment suit brought by an individual and an organization whose lobbying agenda dovetails perfectly with the interests of the bloody dictators of Tehran,” Kenneth Timmerman, executive director of the Foundation for Democracy in Iran, told the Free Beacon.

“The court documents indicate that NIAC committed fraud by editing internal documents to illegally shield them from disclosure,” added Timmerman, a Maryland Congressional candidate who has long been involved in the case and is mentioned several times in the court documents.

NIAC has billed itself as a “nonpartisan” organization “dedicated to advancing the interests of the Iranian-American community” since its establishment in 2002.

However, critics such as Daioleslam, who heads the Iranian American Forum, accuse NIAC of carrying water for the Iranian regime.

The group, NIAC’s critics say, has lobbied lawmakers and the Obama administration to weaken economic sanctions on Iran and pursue a softer approach toward the regime’s clandestine nuclear arms program without disclosing its ties to the mullahs in Tehran.

The U.S. government requires that “persons acting as agents” of foreign countries publicly disclose their activities under what is known as the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA). The law applies mainly to lobbyists who petition American officials on behalf of foreign governments. Failure to disclose such activities can result in prosecution by the Department of Justice.

NIAC hailed the recent court decision as a “victory” in a statement on its website, claiming that Daioleslam could not prove that his statements “were correct and truthful.”

However, in determining whether Daioleslam actually defamed the group, Judge Bates initiated an exhaustive discovery process that granted the defense team access to scores of NIAC’s records dating back several years. Many of those records cast the group in an unfavorable light.

Diaoleslam called NIAC’s post-decision statement ridiculous, and maintained that he “never rescinded” any of his claims.

“I maintain they lobby in favor of the Iranian regime,” he said. “I believe it more and more, ten times more than before.”

[Big Guy]

It looks like Netanyahu has made a few enemies. It appears that Netanyahu has been lying to his Israelis over the last few years as to the nuclear capability of Iran;

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/leaks-netanyahu-misled-iran-nuclear-programme-guardian-iran-nuclear-speech-2012-150218165622065.html

Somebody "leaked" a Mossad report. I wonder who could intercept and "leak" a Mossad report. Mossad is supposed to be the ultra secret, superefficient Israeli equivalent of the American CIA and Canadian CSIS.

Bibi recently thumbed his nose at Obama and plans to speak to Congress against the expressed wishes of the White House.

Hey Bibi, pull a feather out of the American eagle and you get bitten right in your assets.

[Rue]

Oh say now, we are posting from the NIAC are we. Ok. So come on then lets talk about the NIAC. Gee how clever. The Iran government doesnt want Netanyahu giving a speech warning about Obamas flawed negotiations with Iran over a supposed nuclear deal.

First lets refresh the pro Iranian government lobbyists on this board about them:

NIAC Loses Defamation Suit – Pro-Tehran group harshly criticized by judge, forced to pay attorney’s fees

Posted on September 22, 2012

By Adam Kredo:

An Iranian-American advocacy group long suspected of concealing its illicit ties to the Iranian regime recently lost a four-year court battle aimed at silencing one of its principal critics.

The left-leaning National Iranian American Council (NIAC)—which describes itself as a nonprofit educational organization that advocates in favor of increased U.S. engagement with Iran—sued Seid Hassan Daioleslam in 2008. The group alleged Daioleslam defamed the organization by claiming that it clandestinely lobbied American government officials on behalf of the Iranian regime.

Federal District Court Judge John B. Bates cleared Daioleslam of the defamation charges last week after a protracted and oftentimes bitter battle between the two sides. Bates upbraided NIAC throughout his 23-page decision for failing to make its case and for intentionally hindering the discovery process.

“I believe they intentionally withheld documents,” Daioleslam told the Free Beacon. “The documents [NIAC has] not turned over not only hampered the legal proceedings, they deprived the American people from knowing what’s going on behind the scenes.”

Court documents show that NIAC officials inappropriately altered internal documents, withheld certain pieces of correspondence, and produced mysteriously incomplete records.

Daioleslam and other NIAC opponents maintain the organization is still camouflaging its pro-Tehran activity.

“It is a great pleasure to see [Daioleslam] vindicated at long last from the harassment suit brought by an individual and an organization whose lobbying agenda dovetails perfectly with the interests of the bloody dictators of Tehran,” Kenneth Timmerman, executive director of the Foundation for Democracy in Iran, told the Free Beacon.

“The court documents indicate that NIAC committed fraud by editing internal documents to illegally shield them from disclosure,” added Timmerman, a Maryland Congressional candidate who has long been involved in the case and is mentioned several times in the court documents.

NIAC has billed itself as a “nonpartisan” organization “dedicated to advancing the interests of the Iranian-American community” since its establishment in 2002.

However, critics such as Daioleslam, who heads the Iranian American Forum, accuse NIAC of carrying water for the Iranian regime.

The group, NIAC’s critics say, has lobbied lawmakers and the Obama administration to weaken economic sanctions on Iran and pursue a softer approach toward the regime’s clandestine nuclear arms program without disclosing its ties to the mullahs in Tehran.

The U.S. government requires that “persons acting as agents” of foreign countries publicly disclose their activities under what is known as the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA). The law applies mainly to lobbyists who petition American officials on behalf of foreign governments. Failure to disclose such activities can result in prosecution by the Department of Justice.

NIAC hailed the recent court decision as a “victory” in a statement on its website, claiming that Daioleslam could not prove that his statements “were correct and truthful.”

However, in determining whether Daioleslam actually defamed the group, Judge Bates initiated an exhaustive discovery process that granted the defense team access to scores of NIAC’s records dating back several years. Many of those records cast the group in an unfavorable light.

Diaoleslam called NIAC’s post-decision statement ridiculous, and maintained that he “never rescinded” any of his claims.

“I maintain they lobby in favor of the Iranian regime,” he said. “I believe it more and more, ten times more than before.”

http://counterjihadreport.com/2012/09/22/niac-loses-defamation-suit-pro-tehran-group-harshly-criticized-by-judge-forced-to-pay-attorneys-fees/

[bush_cheney2004]

Germany continues to support Israeli submarine construction....talk is cheap....and Bibi gets more boats.

[Michael Hardner]

Marcus and Mr. Harder. Good for you guys.

What's the NIAC ? I quoted a broken post and said so.

[Rue]

Oh but come on now. Its out in the open. Now that we are out in the open about being pro Iranian and quoting directly from their governments proaganda tool in the US why stop at just giggling over their ad?

There is so much to giggle over with the NIAC.

Giggle No.1

In 2009, Barack Obama turned delegated foreign policy negotiations with Iran to Trita Parsi the leader of the National Iranian American Council (NIAC).

Giggle No.2

Trita Parsi and the NIAC were exposed in the failed law suit I mentioned for defrauding the federal government, lying to members of Congress, arranging secret meetings between the US and Iran, and Trita Parsi paid Anne Singleton to provide testimony to U.S. Congress.

Giggle No.3

NIAC claimed it had 33,000 members , but court documents reveal that it has less than 500 members and is not even willing to disclose their names.

Giggle No.4

The NIAC is US tax exempt under a501 c3 yet refuses to disclose its audit and tax reports to the public while demanding tax free status as a charity.

Giggle No.4

On February 26, 2011, NIAC held a public event in Plano, Texas and claimed that it was sponsored by the Press Club and Dallas and The World Affairs Council both of which publically denied having anything to do with the event.

Giggle No.5

Trita Parsi has a Swedish bank account and does not pay taxes on it?

Giggle No. 6

Trita Parsi was direcly involved in the activities of now convicted Congressman Bob Ney.

Do you know who was behind the Pugwash meetings?

Giggle No.7

Trita Parsi is not an Iranian-American. He is not an American citizen.

source: http://pamelageller.com/2011/12/court-docs-iranian-american-lobbying-group-niac-defrauded-feds-lied-to-congressmen-paid-for-congress.html/#sthash.F51ckoZM.dpuf