jacee Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 God Bless you PM Harper. Its about time we had a leader who was strong enough to make the hard choices as a leader. We need him to continue to make the choices that will enable us to be free. Just makes you want to bust out singing "God bless Americanada" eh? Freedom is for wussies!! We'll take surveillance and guns and guards and sniffer dogs 24/7 because ... well ... just in case. Moose ... to be free of the moose. They are waaaaay more dangerous than terrorists. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 What freedoms have we lost. I cant wait until the election and we get another majority ,so we don't have to listen to the BS from the left. You had your chance with chretien to run good government, but failed miserly. And you are upset because harper is running the cleanest government in a long time. Everything said about evil harper never came true. And that just stings the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerve Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) What I don't get, is how do you draw the line if it isn't incitement, counseling an offense, hate speech, criminal harassment or criminal libel? Wouldn't this already be in the criminal code? If it wasn't criminal before, why can the government limit the conscience, thought belief provisions of the charter? It seems unconstitutional and actually in itself criminal harassment, fraud, and probably a few other crimes. Edited March 9, 2015 by nerve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 What freedoms have we lost. I cant wait until the election and we get another majority ,so we don't have to listen to the BS from the left.Because HARPER will abolish free speech? Is that the plan?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Because HARPER will abolish free speech? Is that the plan? . Kind of sounds like it doesnt it. He has at least one supporter for it apparently. I shudder to think what the place will look like if we have to suffer another round of Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Kind of sounds like it doesnt it. He has at least one supporter for it apparently. I shudder to think what the place will look like if we have to suffer another round of Harper.. I thought the Constitution, the Charter and the SCC will protect us. Or is PM Harper planning in doing away with those as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 . I thought the Constitution, the Charter and the SCC will protect us. Or is PM Harper planning in doing away with those as well? I have confidence the SC using the constitution and charter, will protect us. It just seems we seem to be having to go that route way too often these days. Just an expensive waste of time. You would think Harper could better use tax dollars getting legal advice before he tries to ram through yet another poorly written bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I have confidence the SC using the constitution and charter, will protect us. It just seems we seem to be having to go that route way too often these days. Just an expensive waste of time. You would think Harper could better use tax dollars getting legal advice before he tries to ram through yet another poorly written bill. we elect mps to pass laws. That's what they're doing. If the courts want to make the laws then we should dissolve Parliament and just have the courts run our country instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 we elect mps to pass laws. That's what they're doing. If the courts want to make the laws then we should dissolve Parliament and just have the courts run our country instead. We elect mps to propose legislation that conforms to our constitution. We have the SC as an unbiased umpire to protect us from policy fluctuations between one party and the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 We elect mps to propose legislation that conforms to our constitution. We have the SC as an unbiased umpire to protect us from policy fluctuations between one party and the other. This new law doesn't breach our rights at all. Its going to hold up in court. If the SC strikes it down then they've just handed Pm Harper another majority. This law and the niqab ban are very popular with Canadians. The left on this board who oppose these measures are a small minority in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 This new law doesn't breach our rights at all. Its going to hold up in court. If the SC strikes it down then they've just handed Pm Harper another majority. This law and the niqab ban are very popular with Canadians. The left on this board who oppose these measures are a small minority in Canada. It very well could breach a number of our rights. The language is too vague. You could in fact ed up with a judge issuing a warrant that would allow CSIS to act outside the Charter. Im sure you have been able to some sort of poll which supports your claim. One of the more reputable one that the right ofte quote shows support for the bill, but they fail to mention the follow up question that asks have you read the bill, which shows the support comes from those who are actually ignorant of what the bill actually says. People are now changing to say they may support it with more stringent oversight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Oversight is included in the bill already. A major part of the bill is sharing of information which is very important. That information that us crucial to safeguarding Canada can be freely shared. Right now they cannot be freely shared. If the police have pc that a terrorist attack may occur the police can detain. If an unlawful protest is taking place it can be shit down. No big deal. No ones rights violated. Very simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Oversight is included in the bill already. A major part of the bill is sharing of information which is very important. That information that us crucial to safeguarding Canada can be freely shared. Right now they cannot be freely shared. If the police have pc that a terrorist attack may occur the police can detain. If an unlawful protest is taking place it can be shit down. No big deal. No ones rights violated. Very simple. No oversight is definitely included. Also SIRC has been gutted while CSIS powers have been greatly increased. An unlawful protest could now be you walking down the sidewalk with a sign. You go ahead ad drink up the kool aid if you like it. A lot of brae people got us the rights we now enjoy. It would be a shame to let some dufus in a sweater vest take them away so he can suck up a few votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 No oversight is definitely included. Also SIRC has been gutted while CSIS powers have been greatly increased. An unlawful protest could now be you walking down the sidewalk with a sign. You go ahead ad drink up the kool aid if you like it. A lot of brae people got us the rights we now enjoy. It would be a shame to let some dufus in a sweater vest take them away so he can suck up a few votes. . It will be the violent groups who hate our freedom that will take our rights away. Muslim groups like ISIS, that's who wants to take our freedom away. Just ask France. Islamic groups killed people just for drawing cartoons in an effort to shut them up. Looks like its the Muslim groups who want to take away rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) Also SIRC has been gutted while CSIS powers have been greatly increased. How so with the SIRC? Not sure you actually know what the word "gutted" means. You raise it so frequently. Edited March 11, 2015 by Keepitsimple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) . It will be the violent groups who hate our freedom that will take our rights away. Muslim groups like ISIS, that's who wants to take our freedom away. Just ask France. Islamic groups killed people just for drawing cartoons in an effort to shut them up. Looks like its the Muslim groups who want to take away rights. Only the state has the power to actually do so. If the de minimis threat of terror prompts the government to take action to erode our personal freedoms, then the government is simply caving to the terrorists. Edited March 11, 2015 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 . I thought the Constitution, the Charter and the SCC will protect us. Or is PM Harper planning in doing away with those as well? He's totally probably planning to do away with all of them. It's part of his secret agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 He's totally probably planning to do away with all of them. It's part of his secret agenda. Does anyone really doubt that if he could, he would? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 A lot of brae people got us the rights we now enjoy. It would be a shame to let some dufus in a sweater vest take them away so he can suck up a few votes. You honestly believe that this is part of Harper's plan, that he believes a sound election strategy for securing the votes includes removing rights from Canadians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Does anyone really doubt that if he could, he would? I know Obama would, considering his previous conduct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I know Obama would, considering his previous conduct. Do try and stay on topic and not let your ODS get the best of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Do try and stay on topic and not let your ODS get the best of you. I will if you promise not to let your HDS get the best of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 . It will be the violent groups who hate our freedom that will take our rights away. Muslim groups like ISIS, that's who wants to take our freedom away. Just ask France. Islamic groups killed people just for drawing cartoons in an effort to shut them up. Looks like its the Muslim groups who want to take away rights. Sounds like a talking point right out of Harpers book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 How so with the SIRC? Not sure you actually know what the word "gutted" means. You raise it so frequently. Take a look at their respective budgets and you too may begin to comprehend the word. As Mulcair pointed out, there are more staff at the parliamentary cafeteria than at SIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 You honestly believe that this is part of Harper's plan, that he believes a sound election strategy for securing the votes includes removing rights from Canadians? Apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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