Moonlight Graham Posted February 19, 2015 Report Posted February 19, 2015 God people are dumb. Yup. I'm sure a very high % of Canadians have little to no idea what is in the new anti-terror legislation either. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted February 19, 2015 Report Posted February 19, 2015 Isn't oversight of the government just another form of terror? It certainly doesn't seem very fair. What? Please explain. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
eyeball Posted February 19, 2015 Report Posted February 19, 2015 Oh shit...forgot damn the / sarcasm tag again. Sorry about that. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Hudson Jones Posted February 19, 2015 Report Posted February 19, 2015 You are concerned that the new law clearly outlines what methods of interrogation and treatment are illegal? Seems rather prudent from an advocacy point of view, as it clearly disallows legal grey areas in other Western countries that allow methods like water-boarding and rectal feeding of those detained… Are you seriously okay with secret warrants, document grabbing when they see fit and planting secret monitoring devices like we're in Russia? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Derek 2.0 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Posted February 19, 2015 Are you seriously okay with secret warrants, document grabbing when they see fit and planting secret monitoring devices like we're in Russia? C-51 doesn't bug me the slightest......but then I don't have an internet presence one could conclude is supportive of radical Islam Quote
Bryan Posted February 19, 2015 Report Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) God people are dumb. Some people are. The people opposed to stopping terrorism, for instance. Edited February 19, 2015 by Bryan Quote
jacee Posted February 19, 2015 Report Posted February 19, 2015 BD ... I suppose it depends who you ask. For example, the 200 plus MPs and senators in the Conservative and NDP caucus rooms on that Wednesday last fall who came within a few meters and one brave and skilled sergeant at arms of being slaughtered might answer in the affirmative. That's the knee jerk reaction: Do SOMETHING! But are these the right things? Harper admitted that nothing in the Act would have prevented that, because Zehaf-Bibeau wasn't on the watch list. . Quote
Topaz Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 What some of the journalist are saying is that CSIS could do anything to anyone, including Canadians, except kill them, so that allows torturing??? This could apply to protesters, First Nation etc. and Harper wants CSIS to become the CIA, corruption and all. Quote
jacee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 C-51 doesn't bug me the slightest......but then I don't have an internet presence one could conclude is supportive of radical Islam No pipeline, uranium mine, fracking etc threatening your local watershed?Harper is trying to squash local opposition to such projects. These are just ordinary Canadians trying to protect their homes and families. NB fracking BC pipelines ON pipeline, uranium, dump site People have a right, and many feel a responsibility, to vigorously defend their communities from contamination. Now they are 'terrorists'? . Quote
Hudson Jones Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 C-51 doesn't bug me the slightest......but then I don't have an internet presence one could conclude is supportive of radical Islam You've been duped Derek. "Radical Islam" is just an excuse to give more power to the federal government and its secret service to have control over the flow of information. Hopefully you're a yes-man and like everything the government does. In that case, they probably have no reason to check to see who Derek 2.0 really is and what Derek 1.0 was like. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Argus Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 No pipeline, uranium mine, fracking etc threatening your local watershed? Harper is trying to squash local opposition to such projects. These are just ordinary Canadians trying to protect their homes and families. NB fracking BC pipelines ON pipeline, uranium, dump site People have a right, and many feel a responsibility, to vigorously defend their communities from contamination. Now they are 'terrorists'? . This is tinfoil hat stuff. It's all based on an RCMP report that opposition to energy projects had reached a point among some people where some kind of sabotoge/terrorism could be expected. Not like that would be the first time anyone bombed a pipline, btw.... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Derek 2.0 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 No pipeline, uranium mine, fracking etc threatening your local watershed? Harper is trying to squash local opposition to such projects. These are just ordinary Canadians trying to protect their homes and families. NB fracking BC pipelines ON pipeline, uranium, dump site People have a right, and many feel a responsibility, to vigorously defend their communities from contamination. Now they are 'terrorists'? . Sure, I use to live five minutes away from the Burnaby Chevron refinery and Kinder Morgan facilities (and once worked for one of their sub-contractors) on the opposite side of Burnaby Mountain......I'd consider any group that would sabotage such facilities to further their own political cause as terrorists.......Now, to add to your list, I live in a largely forestry based industry town, and likewise, I consider those eco-groups that spike trees, a practice that injuries and kills loggers and sawmill workers, and sabotage heavy equipment (like cutting brake and hydraulic lines) as eco-terrorists......... In both examples, their intent is to create fear among those that oppose their own eco-dogmas........ Quote
jacee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 This is tinfoil hat stuff. It's all based on an RCMP report that opposition to energy projects had reached a point among some people where some kind of sabotoge/terrorism could be expected. Not like that would be the first time anyone bombed a pipline, btw....There's was an Alberta rogue ... But without violence by police, protesters have been peaceful. Determined, obstructive perhaps, but not destructive or violent. Violence comes from the police. . Quote
jacee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Sure, I use to live five minutes away from the Burnaby Chevron refinery and Kinder Morgan facilities (and once worked for one of their sub-contractors) on the opposite side of Burnaby Mountain......I'd consider any group that would sabotage such facilities to further their own political cause as terrorists.......Now, to add to your list, I live in a largely forestry based industry town, and likewise, I consider those eco-groups that spike trees, a practice that injuries and kills loggers and sawmill workers, and sabotage heavy equipment (like cutting brake and hydraulic lines) as eco-terrorists......... In both examples, their intent is to create fear among those that oppose their own eco-dogmas........ Can you link to reports of such "sabotage" incidents in Canada pls? . Quote
jacee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Some people are. The people opposed to stopping terrorism, for instance. That's an idiotic statement. . Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 You've been duped Derek. "Radical Islam" is just an excuse to give more power to the federal government and its secret service to have control over the flow of information. Hopefully you're a yes-man and like everything the government does. In that case, they probably have no reason to check to see who Derek 2.0 really is and what Derek 1.0 was like. Not the slightest, and had a similar conversation with Waldo several years ago in the Anonymous/Vic Towes thread, pre-Snowden, and was called a tin-foil hat wearer.....I understand quite clearly laws encompassing both intelligence gathering and sharing, by both the DND and CSIS....not duped the slightest. And no, not worried the slightest about the Government "checking me out", but have noticed a lot of "guests" reading the anti Israel threads in the wee hours of the morning Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Can you link to reports of such "sabotage" incidents in Canada pls? . Google is your friend..... Quote
Argus Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 There's was an Alberta rogue ... But without violence by police, protesters have been peaceful. Determined, obstructive perhaps, but not destructive or violent. Violence comes from the police. . A lot of native groups in particular have threatened to destroy pipelines and oil infrastructure... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Google is your friend.....Interesting. Glad no one was hurt. So these would be considered 'terrorist' acts against ... infrastructure? ... economic security? Wait ... doesn't 'terrorism' have to create widespread fear, terror in the public? Can it be terrorism if it doesn't terrify the public? Enrages some perhaps, police included. But that's not terrorism. What "political" aims? Don't see that here. Obstruction perhaps ... but 'terrorism' is very farfetched. . Edited February 20, 2015 by jacee Quote
cybercoma Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 No one said we should not, but responses to threats should be proportional to the threat they present. Would terrorism even rank in the top 50 threats to people and property in this country?Hell, the Canadian Medical Association says that 24,000 patients die each year due to medical error and that 8,880 of those are entirely preventable with the vast majority being prescription errors. In other words, you're several thousand times more likely to die from medical malpractice than terrorism. Quote
jacee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 A lot of native groups in particular have threatened to destroy pipelines and oil infrastructure... Links? Argus you've been here long enough to know you have to provide evidence for such claims. Quote
cybercoma Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) That's too much of a restriction for peoples' liking. The government does have legislation around lightning safety though. Just food for thought is all.Of course they do and they should have legislation for terrorism too. In fact, I think it should be a criminal offence that carries a penalty of life in prison. Edited February 20, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
jacee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Hell, the Canadian Medical Association says that 24,000 patients die each year due to medical error and that 8,880 of those are entirely preventable with the vast majority being prescription errors. In other words, you're several thousand times more likely to die from medical malpractice than terrorism. Cripes did they forget to put medical terrorism in there? That's much more terrifying to the public than tree spikes. . Quote
cybercoma Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 A lot of native groups in particular have threatened to destroy pipelines and oil infrastructure...If I build my shed in your backyard without consulting with you, would you tear it down? Quote
eyeball Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Some people are. The people opposed to stopping terrorism, for instance.Yep, that would be the Coalition of Suckers. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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