Argus Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 LOL! Ya but a list with even fewer alleged "Islamic terrorists" is enough to go to war in Iraq and make anti constitutional changes to Canadian law! WWWTT We assist our allies as part of a broad based policy to lower our defense costs. And you are really going to continue to allege that because of a list that there are, in fact, a few dozen Canadian neo nazis, the Harper government is hiding the neo nazi background of one of the participants in this conspiracy? Really?? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 The murders in Denmark, on the other hand, are indisputably terrorism. Maybe. Not all hate crimes are terrorism and not all terrorist acts are hate crimes. We don't know whether the persons motivation was to instill terror in the still living or just kill people he hated Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WWWTT Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 So according to how these events usually play out, when a foreigner enters our country to commit crimes, all kinds of actions are taken to prevent these kinds of crimes from happening at the hands of foreigners. This woman was from the US. Hey that's another country OUTSIDE of Canada! That's a freekin FOREIGN COUNTRY! Harper better do something about these threats to the safety of Canadian citizens! Oh wait Oh no! http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEV7udz.BUA3YAf30nnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEzM2pkdDNiBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1lIUzAwMl8x/RV=2/RE=1424048158/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwestcoastnativenews.com%2fstephen-harpers-northern-foundation%2f/RK=0/RS=QYMtucOpq9KvWB3DkoUtmKauzfA- WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
jacee Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 And you are really going to continue to allege that because of a list that there are, in fact, a few dozen Canadian neo nazis, the Harper government is hiding the neo nazi background of one of the participants in this conspiracy? Really?? Simple research shows Neo-Nazi ties. BEFORE doing that simple google search ... or perhaps because they did?!? ... Harper Mackay and the police are adamantly claiming that it isn't "cultural", isn't "terrorism". Why are they covering up Neo-Nazi involvement? Why are they so quick ... TOO QUICK! ... to declare planned NeoNazi attacks not "cultural", not "terrorism"?? It stinks. . Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Just listened to the news, of course its the old....no details can be divulged as the case is under investigation. And Mackay etal are under their bed I bet. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Simple research shows Neo-Nazi ties. BEFORE doing that simple google search ... or perhaps because they did?!? ... Harper Mackay and the police are adamantly claiming that it isn't "cultural", isn't "terrorism". Why are they covering up Neo-Nazi involvement? Why are they so quick ... TOO QUICK! ... to declare planned NeoNazi attacks not "cultural", not "terrorism"?? It stinks. . So....you're obviously very upset...... because McKay did not blame it on Neo-nazis? You wanted the headlines to immediately read "Halifax plot points to Neo-Nazis"......before a full investigation has been done? Is that what you are upset about? Oh - and maybe add a link to support your simple research? Edited February 15, 2015 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
jacee Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 So according to how these events usually play out, when a foreigner enters our country to commit crimes, all kinds of actions are taken to prevent these kinds of crimes from happening at the hands of foreigners. This woman was from the US. Hey that's another country OUTSIDE of Canada! That's a freekin FOREIGN COUNTRY! Harper better do something about these threats to the safety of Canadian citizens! Oh wait Oh no! http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEV7udz.BUA3YAf30nnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEzM2pkdDNiBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1lIUzAwMl8x/RV=2/RE=1424048158/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwestcoastnativenews.com%2fstephen-harpers-northern-foundation%2f/RK=0/RS=QYMtucOpq9KvWB3DkoUtmKauzfA- WWWTT From your link ... Stephen Harper was a member of the ultra-right-wing Northern Foundation in 1989, Mr. Harrison documents that this was a group that had numerous Neo-Nazi skinheads as organizers, as well as a leadership that included a well-known white supremacist ... And now he's trying to get ahead of the news that this was a white supremacist planned rampage. He's in damage control mode. WHY?!? . Quote
jacee Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 So....you're obviously very upset...... because McKay did not blame it on Neo-nazis? You wanted the headlines to immediately read "Halifax plot points to Neo-Nazis"......before a full investigation has been done? Is that what you are upset about? If they were saying 'We don't know until a full investigation is done', that's one thing. But that's not what they're saying. Without even the simplest Google investigation, they are saying emphatically that it is not "cultural", not "terrorism". THAT'S DAMAGE CONTROL. THAT'S A COVER UP. And the police are participating. Were the police ordered to cover up the NeoNazi ties? . Quote
Smallc Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 If they were saying 'We don't know until a full investigation is done', that's one thing. But that's not what they're saying. Without even the simplest Google investigation, they are saying emphatically that it is not "cultural", not "terrorism". THAT'S DAMAGE CONTROL. THAT'S A COVER UP. And the police are participating. Were the police ordered to cover up the NeoNazi ties? so basically, any evidence that agrees with your particular bent, no matter how conspiratorial, is totally valid. Any evidence that disagrees with you, no matter how reputable the source, needs further, careful evaluation. That's what I'm gathering from most of your posts. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) From your link ... Stephen Harper was a member of the ultra-right-wing Northern Foundation in 1989, Mr. Harrison documents that this was a group that had numerous Neo-Nazi skinheads as organizers, as well as a leadership that included a well-known white supremacist ... And now he's trying to get ahead of the news that this was a white supremacist planned rampage. He's in damage control mode. WHY?!? . LOL. ......give yourself a shake.....then smack yourself upside the head a couple of times. If there was any truth at all - even in the slightest - don't you think media columnists and the opposition parties would have seized on it ages ago like a dog on a lamb chop? Edited February 15, 2015 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Michael Hardner Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Many conservative voters are neo nazi's or sympathizers. "Many" = unquantified. How many ? 6 ? 600,000 ? "Many" "Few" "Some" ... these adjectives aren't helpful to clarify facts in a debate. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
jacee Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Maybe. Not all hate crimes are terrorism and not all terrorist acts are hate crimes. We don't know whether the persons motivation was to instill terror in the still living or just kill people he hated Good point, and we're not going to know if the Conservatives and the police can hide it: RCMP involvement ... now there's an indicator ... they answer to Harper and are only required to OBEY lawful ORDERS ... and the RCMP is repeating MACKAY & HARPER'S mantra: "not CULTURAL, not ideological" http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/nova-scotia/randall-steven-shepherd-lindsay-kantha-souvannarath-charged-in-halifax-shooting-plot-1.2957685 (Watch RCMP video to hear the RCMP Harper puppet speak) . Quote
Smallc Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Good point, and we're not going to know if the Conservatives and the police can hide it: RCMP involvement ... now there's an indicator ... they answer to Harper and are only required to OBEY lawful ORDERS ... and the RCMP is repeating MACKAY & HARPER'S mantra: "not CULTURAL, not ideological" You have yet to provide evidence that they're wrong. Quote
eyeball Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 I'm not really sure what you kooky left wingers are trying to suggest,That this is more likely a case of right-wing terrorism? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Argus Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Simple research shows Neo-Nazi ties. Why are they covering up Neo-Nazi involvement? Your question, like your allegations, are basically insane, identical to the ravings and rantings of fruit loops and conspiracy nuts. Edited February 15, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Ok great so you're tellingme that Latino terrorists are beheading people, suicide bombing places, bombing embassies and attacking cartoonists. Please post some proof of this so I can be sure. Beheading people - Check http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2166484/Mexican-drug-cartels-decapitate-rivals-disturbing-video.html Attacking police stations and killing police - Check. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39863570/ns/world_news-americas/t/every-cop-town-quits-after-mexico-attack/ Attacking students and mass murders - Check http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mexico-says-43-missing-students-likely-victims-of-mass-murder-remains-burned-1.2828456 Car bombs - Check http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mexican-drug-cartels-weapon-border-war-car-bomb/story?id=11383665 Attacking resorts - Check http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=364464&CategoryId=14091 Right, no terrorism going on in Mexico. Quote
WWWTT Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 "Many" = unquantified. How many ? 6 ? 600,000 ? "Many" "Few" "Some" ... these adjectives aren't helpful to clarify facts in a debate. I'm pretty sure it would be safe for me to assume that white supremacists, neo nazis and their sympathizers or soft supporters aren't going to vote for the NDP. Better question would be how many soft white supremacist voters there are in Canada. I'm guessing that the internal polling that the main parties do would give them a good idea where that number is. Either way, judging from the words spoken by an upper liutenant in the conservative party, the conservatives feel it's imparitive to bury this topic! And it couldn't happen fast enough! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Argus Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) From your link ... Stephen Harper was a member of the ultra-right-wing Northern Foundation in 1989, Mr. Harrison documents that this was a group that had numerous Neo-Nazi skinheads as organizers, as well as a leadership that included a well-known white supremacist ... And now he's trying to get ahead of the news that this was a white supremacist planned rampage. He's in damage control mode. WHY?!? . You realize that the link posted reads like it was written by a raving lunatic who was literally frothing at the mouth, right? Mind you, this topic is already drawing every kook on MLW to shriek and wail and pull out their hair... Edited February 15, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 I'm pretty sure it would be safe for me to assume that white supremacists, neo nazis and their sympathizers or soft supporters aren't going to vote for the NDP. Of course. But you did not assert that many such people vote conservatively, you voted that "many conservative voters are neo nazi's [sic] or sympathizers." Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Big Guy Posted February 15, 2015 Author Report Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) A few years ago, our governments in North America were being confronted by groups of people (not nations) who were intent on killing other people. They appeared to instill terror in their victims and others so they labelled them "terrorists". This became a very convenient label because one did not have to give a reason for their aggression but could just refer to them as "terrorists" and that was enough reason to send our armies against them. Why are you killing them? Because they are terrorists! For a very long time this label of convenience was used to create legislation to protect us from them and for reasons to kill them - they were terrorists after all! Then there were so many groups labelled as terrorists that it was not making sense - so that category had to be split into sub sections; We still have the term "Terrorist" which describes any group the government still wants to label as such. We have the recent "Organization that uses terrorist tactics" which President Obama has created for the Taliban. I assume that puts them into a special group like "one that we lost to, and will soon will become a government so we can't call them terrorists cause we will have to deal with them later." category. Recently we have the "misguided misfits" terrorist sub group which out Minister has created to try to describe people who have difficulty fitting into out society and are misguided. Now, according to our RCMP, we will have a problem with "Disgruntled Caucasian kids who wanted to commit mass destruction based on White Supremacy". I guess we will soon see special legislation for this group. I am looking forward to new legislation to protect us. We can call it the "Any person or group who have mental illness, who we have refused exit from Canada and has killed a member of the military in Canada" bill. I suggest that we spend more time finding out why they want to kill us and less time on finding ways of labelling them. Edited February 15, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
WWWTT Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 I suggest that we spend more time finding out why they want to kill us and less time on finding ways of labelling them. Ya, sorry I had to edit out most of your comment here bro but it sounds like you haven't read the updates that we have come to light recently. I wouldn't bother wasting your time with definitions anymore, I think I buried that one with a few gut wrenching links you should check out (and are probably good thread material on their own for your consideration) I would suggest going back and following up on the links we provided. That should shed some light as to where this subject is heading. Oh and by the way, thanks for starting this thread and carrying the torch while I red flagged this forum. Kudos for you man! And keep up the good work! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Argus Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) A few years ago, our governments in North America were being confronted by groups of people (not nations) who were intent on killing other people. They appeared to instill terror in their victims and others so they labelled them "terrorists". This became a very convenient label because one did not have to give a reason for their aggression but could just refer to them as "terrorists" and that was enough reason to send our armies against them. I think virtually every single commentator and government official in the history of the 'war on terror' has been clear about the reason for their aggression. Perhaps you missed it somehow? If you did I'd like to point out it's because they're violent religious fanatics who kill people. I do realize you feel that simply hugging such people would put an end to their anger and fanaticism, but no government on the planet seems to have yet caught on to your thoughtful wisdom on this score. I suggest that we spend more time finding out why they want to kill us and less time on finding ways of labelling them. Oh, that's easy. It's something you did. Yes, you. You caused them to murder people. It's not like they wanted to! No, it's your fault. You are entirely responsible. I suggest you reflect on your guilt and on how you can change your behaviour so as to not cause poor, helpless, misguided Muslim people to commit murder. Edited February 15, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Good point, and we're not going to know if the Conservatives and the police can hide it: RCMP involvement ... now there's an indicator ... they answer to Harper and are only required to OBEY lawful ORDERS ... and the RCMP is repeating MACKAY & HARPER'S mantra: "not CULTURAL, not ideological"http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/nova-scotia/randall-steven-shepherd-lindsay-kantha-souvannarath-charged-in-halifax-shooting-plot-1.2957685 (Watch RCMP video to hear the RCMP Harper puppet speak) . You don't comprehend too good. The Crown and the courts decide which crimes meet the legal defintion of terrorism or any other law, not the government. Governments make laws and the courts apply them according to the law as written, not at the whim of government. This is fundemental to our system and guaranteed in our Constitution. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WWWTT Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 You don't comprehend too good. The Crown and the courts decide which crimes meet the legal defintion of terrorism or any other law, not the government. Governments make laws and the courts apply them according to the law as written, not at the whim of government. This is fundemental to our system and guaranteed in our Constitution. Ya too bad the Minister of Justice is the incompetent Peter McKay. I guess being the minister of justice means that you have to read what the actual law states. You would think being a lawyer would really help! But for some reason it doesn't help squat! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wilber Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 As far as what charges are laid, it doesn't matter what McKay says, he is a Cabinet Minister and politician, not an officer of the court. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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