The Setting Sun

[The_Squid]

Gosh.....dont you know you are lying ? Who knew, and even with links from CRTC and equivalents we still are.

Thus.....alternate universe for some.

Let me guess.....someone accusing us of lying watched Ezra and SNN and now has no idea the truth.

Comical really

I think Bryan pulled an Ezra there...

It's not that hard to check the facts... there's google... and the CRTC has its own website as well... Wikipedia lists all the "mandatory carriage" channels (with references).

Some people would rather choose to believe what Sun News is feeding its listeners than do a simple google search to ensure what they are being fed is actually true...

Edited February 18, 2015 by The_Squid

[guyser]

True ^ that!

[Bryan]

Please explain how CBCNN got dropped if it is "mandatory".

I never said it was. You and Guyser are both playing a game where you make up something I did not say, and insist that I address that. Guyser2 even went so far as to repost every thing I said in this thread, and not once did I ever make ANY claims about Newsworld.

That's how Guyser2 does almost all of his debating on this site: he makes up something the other person did not say (he LIES), and insists on arguing against that. He even goes so far as to quote people, but change the wording in their quotes to make it appear that they said something they did not. He did that to me in this thread. That is why I'm calling him what he is, a liar.

[guyser]

I never said it was.

You said..'Because the CRTC made sure of it. They weren't allowed the same carriage as other channels. " ...when in fact the SNN had the same licence (meaning they get the same carriage rules) as CBCNN and CTVNC

You and Guyser are both playing a game

Its called quoting your words, I did so, you didnt prove on way or another what was wrong, hell you didnt even try, just kept putting out 'youre a liar' and then walking away.

Guyser2 even went so far as to repost every thing I said in this thread, and not once did I ever make ANY claims about Newsworld.

See, i dont know if comprehension is the issue or not, but to suggest the CRTC put the fix on SNN is funny, considering they had the same licence as CBCNN and CTVNC.

One certainly does not compare Ford Focus with a BMW 7 series. They arent even close to being in the same class.

That's how Guyser2 does almost all of his debating on this site: he makes up something the other person did not say (he LIES), and insists on arguing against that. He even goes so far as to quote people, but change the wording in their quotes to make it appear that they said something they did not. He did that to me in this thread. That is why I'm calling him what he is, a liar.

GO ahead, prove it.

I have accused others of that, and proved it.

Now its your turn. So far, you have failed to address anything with any facts, just popping up to tell me I am lying.

Have at it. If successful, I will take a self imposed time out.

Edited February 18, 2015 by Guyser2

[bush_cheney2004]

How noble....

[Bryan]

You said..'Because the CRTC made sure of it. They weren't allowed the same carriage as other channels. " ...when in fact the SNN had the same licence (meaning they get the same carriage rules) as CBCNN and CTVNC

You just did it again.

[guyser]

You just did it again.

Quoted you ? Yes I did.

And ?

Did the CRTC stack the deck against the other two cable news networks? No.

Did the SNN have the same licence as the other two cable news networks? Yes.

'Because the CRTC made sure of it. They weren't allowed the same carriage as other channels.

Just for the record, here is your post, once again.

I really dont much care if you dont want to debate it, but dont come on here and make up hooey instead of stating your position. At least mine is clear, the SNN sucked and carriers were reluctant to host it an voila, it is no more.

[The_Squid]

You just did it again.

Why not just tell us what you mean by this then:

'Because the CRTC made sure of it. They weren't allowed the same carriage as other channels.

[Bob Macadoo]

Why not just tell us what you mean by this then:

He's wrong but you are being disingenuous. He believes SNN should be compared to CBC proper not CBCNN as CBCNN is a shell corp that can afford the rating loss as it's propped up by CBC money. He neglects to include that SNN had a sugardaddy to bankroll them too.

[guyser]

He's wrong but you are being disingenuous.

Are we though? (I assume im included in that)

He believes SNN should be compared to CBC proper not CBCNN as CBCNN is a shell corp that can afford the rating loss as it's propped up by CBC money. He neglects to include that SNN had a sugardaddy to bankroll them too.

The operation of the CBC means it is included in mandatory carriage. SNN tried to get that but were turned down since.................both CBCNN and CTVNC have never been mandated for carriage.

So since he wont explain himself, let me ask you...is it a fair argument to complain that one entity was being mistreated when in fact they were being treated the same?

Itried to ask using an analogy earlier, let me revisit. Does DaiWoo (car mfg'er) have a right to complain to the govt because GM/Chrys/Ford are benefitting because of their established foothold in Canada? Should they get better treatment than the Big three....just because?

Thats a really weird argument. If it were argued the govt said 'you can sell here ...here..and here, but not in S Ont (the largest market)' then a case can be made, but no one did.

Edited February 19, 2015 by Guyser2

[The_Squid]

Why would the comparison not be with other news channels? Makes no sense otherwise....

[Bryan]

The operation of the CBC means it is included in mandatory carriage. SNN tried to get that but were turned down

Thank You. Apology accepted.

[The_Squid]

Thank You. Apology accepted.

So you were comparing the main cbc network to Sun News network?

That's certainly apples/oranges. Why didn't you look at what's done with the other news networks?

[Shady]

Seems like people that don't like Sun News, and didn't watch Sun News, are more obsessed with it than people might have watched once in a while.

[bush_cheney2004]

Seems like people that don't like Sun News, and didn't watch Sun News, are more obsessed with it than people might have watched once in a while.

Sure seems that way....just as they are self appointed experts on Fox News Channel...but never watch it.

[The_Squid]

lol

The other troll comes out of the woodwork... the one who is obsessed with the CBC, Sun News and all things Canadian.

He's especially titillated by strip searches of teen girls in Canada! Creepy old weirdo...

[Shady]

Sure seems that way....just as they are self appointed experts on Fox News Channel...but never watch it.

Yep, that always cracks me up. But they know exactly what's on fox because of the leftwing blogs they read, or Jon Stewart.

[On Guard for Thee]

Yep, that always cracks me up. But they know exactly what's on fox because of the leftwing blogs they read, or Jon Stewart.

You really only have to watch Fox a few times to know whats on it. Its fun to dial into once in a while to see that they still as equally unbalanced as ever. Not as much fun as Stewart but still entertaiing. Sun I guess just didnt quite hit even that mark.

[guyser]

Thank You. Apology accepted.

No apology given, I am laughing now.

Wow, and someone talked about disingenuous? Textbook example right there.

I am sorry Bryan, I was coming from an angle that you had some idea of what you were talking about but apparently you had no clue what you posted about.

I will have to remember next time when folks are talking about Oranges, that youll chime in with some hilarity about Monkeys.

I did think SNN were whiners, not to mention their supporters, since SNN and supporters wanted to be treated in a manner that NO ONE with the same licence was treated.

Wah wah wah....off the air. No one would buy us

Edited February 19, 2015 by Guyser2

[bush_cheney2004]

Numeris doesn't even report shows out of the Top 30, so it is difficult to find out just how the CBC is doing overall:

It may seem strange to say, but we don’t talk enough about TV ratings in Canada. Partly, this is cultural: The top-rated shows are American, so stories about the winners just seem like proxies for stories about U.S. viewing habits. MacLeod notes that, when reporting those whopping Super Bowl ratings, many Canadian media just referred to the U.S. numbers from Nielsen.

...But the problem is also a structural one: In the United States, Nielsen is a private company that can make its own decisions about how strategic it might be to share its proprietary information with the public. Overnight numbers are routinely reported as the networks battle it out for top spot. Numeris, on the other hand, is a non-profit organization that is governed by the radio, TV and ad industries. It has no discretion to release numbers beyond the list of top-30 shows it publishes nine days after the end of the viewing week.

...But that means it was an unusual week in Canadian television; most seasons, few Canadian shows appear on that list, which is why relying on Numeris’s public data kills awareness of Canadian television.

[Bob Macadoo]

Are we though?

Yes you knew he was being dumb and comparing apples and oranges but decided to feed him anyway. Feeders are almost as bad as Trolls.

I tried to ask using an analogy earlier, let me revisit. Does DaiWoo (car mfg'er) have a right to complain to the govt because GM/Chrys/Ford are benefitting because of their established foothold in Canada? Should they get better treatment than the Big three....just because?

That's kind of a misplaced analogy. How about this;

Did a Daewoo plant deserve a bailout package in 2008 because it was available to Lincoln plant?

[guyser]

Yes you knew he was being dumb and comparing apples and oranges but decided to feed him anyway. Feeders are almost as bad as Trolls.

I didnt think he was comparing that which could not be compared, ergo apples to Oranges.

I specifically put in my posts that they were treated the same as other in their category and licence in an effort to keep on focus.

But...perhaps I should have been able to see that.

That's kind of a misplaced analogy. How about this;

Did a Daewoo plant deserve a bailout package in 2008 because it was available to Lincoln plant?

Well, that would be treating them the same. So they should get that.

But looking back, his argument was he wanted SNN to be treated better than any other stations in the same category.

[Bryan]

But looking back, his argument was he wanted SNN to be treated better than any other stations in the same category.

Still lying I see.

You are making things up that I never said, and insisting on arguing with that fictitious thing inside your head. You need help.

Edited February 19, 2015 by Bryan

[guyser]

Still lying I see.

Please show me where or how, thanks.

But looking back, I see where you are confused , not to mention relctant to read up on what you post. So your post 'untruths' as it were, and lable them as facts.

So lets go back and review where things went horribly wrong for you shall we?

You said...

CBC and CTV built their audience and established their position off of many years of mandatory carriage. Their networks of multiple channels and websites were build off of that mandatory carriage. Many other specialty channels also rely on mandatory carriage.

No. ALL of the other mainstream news outlets, whether dedicated news channels, or stations that had news shows among other programming that built their presence off of mandatory carriage were their competition.

I see where you got confused.

CBC we all know is mandated, and sure it helps when they launched CBCNN , ya now, the one that ISNT, Never has been mandated.

But you include CTV.

So I will take you to the CRTC website for a list of mandated carriage.

Currently, the following services have mandatory distribution on the basic service at the following per subscriber monthly wholesale rates:

CBC News Network (in French-language markets): $0.15

Réseau de l’information (RDI) (in English-language markets): $0.10

Avis de recherche (in French-language markets): $0.06

Weather Network/Météomedia: $0.23

TVA: offered without a wholesale rate

Aboriginal Peoples Television Network (APTN): $0.25

Cable Public Affairs Channel (CPAC): $0.10

AMI audio, formerly known as VoicePrint: $0.04

Accessible Media: $0.20

Canal M, formerly known as La Magnétothèque: $0.02

Would you be so kind to point out CTV and CTVNC and CBCNN on that list for me?

I cant seem to find it.

[Bryan]

You're still lying, trying to wedge in things I didn't claim. You even quoted what I actually said, then went off to try to argue against things I didn't.