On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 11 days to go. Thankfully. It will be over for me tomorrow as I go to the advance poll. I bet if he had it to do over, Harper wouldn't have subjected us to such a long drawn out process, which has actually only hurt him. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Thankfully. It will be over for me tomorrow as I go to the advance poll. I bet if he had it to do over, Harper wouldn't have subjected us to such a long drawn out process, which has actually only hurt him. I disagree with you (about the long election hurting him). Plus, most Conservative supporters I know, including my family, have already voted. Edited October 9, 2015 by angrypenguin Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 I disagree with you (about the long election hurting him). Plus, most Conservative supporters I know, including my family, have already voted. All 30 some % of them? Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 All 30 some % of them? ? Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 ?That's the percentage who voted for Harper to give him his current mandate. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 That's the percentage who voted for Harper to give him his current mandate. You mean the mandate from 2011? He got close to 40% Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 You mean the mandate from 2011? He got close to 40%39.62 actually. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 39.62 actually. Ok potatoes potat oes.... Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Ok potatoes potat oes....Underscores the need for PR of course, but that's another thread. Quote
eyeball Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 So maybe you should admit that you are in a very, very small minority, and that the Tories are voicing the opinions and desires of the vast majority of Canada. Is it fair to say now you think the vast majority of Canadians are intelligent and politically savvy? As for me I've been just about half convinced you've been right all along and that the vast majority of Canadians really are just a bunch of ignorant hicks who couldn't vote their way out of a wet paper bag if their lives depended on it. That said, I was just talking to a couple of fishermen I know on the dock this morning who disliked the niqab as much as anyone the last time I talked to them. They didn't like it before because they thought it was wrong to not show your face at a swearing in ceremony. They went out fishing for a month and have now learned the reason to dislike the niqab has changed, to misogyny. They just rolled their eyes and asked me who they should vote for to get, you know...ABH. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ReeferMadness Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 So you're saying 82% of Canadians are bigots for not liking the niqab?I think 100% of people everywhere have a natural tendency towards tribalism that can express itself as bigotry based on race, religion, ethnicity or other differences. Although most people are able to overcome these tendencies, they can still be triggered by someone playing on peoples fears. And I believe that politicians that play on these fears are beneath contempt. The majority isn't always right - the history of our species is replete with examples of majorities oppressing minorities. We need leaders who will stand up for principles, not ones who will pander to fear-mongering. Canada has many shameful examples in its past as well. This is not as bad as the Chinese head tax or the Japanese internment, nevertheless there will come a time when this is seen in a similar lens. Harper should be ashamed and so should his disciples. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
PIK Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Why do you hate women reefer. It seems it is only white men complaining about it, while Muslim women thinks it is great. Did I hear you can vote with your face covered. Harper knows what is happening and he sees what the future will be if we give Islam a foothold in this country. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
ToadBrother Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Why do you hate women reefer. It seems it is only white men complaining about it, while Muslim women thinks it is great. Did I hear you can vote with your face covered. Harper knows what is happening and he sees what the future will be if we give Islam a foothold in this country. Thanks for once again confirming that the intent of the Tories' niqab stance is to act as a proxy for anti-Muslim sentiment. Quote
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) What if 82% of Canadians decided old bigots should find a new place to live? Grow up. Canada doesn't agree with you on this subject. Tough noogies. Edited October 9, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 I think 100% of people everywhere have a natural tendency towards tribalism that can express itself as bigotry based on race, religion, ethnicity or other differences. Although most people are able to overcome these tendencies, they can still be triggered by someone playing on peoples fears. And I believe that politicians that play on these fears are beneath contempt. Well, neither Trudeau nor Mulcair agree with you since neither dares to critiize Bill 62, the law the Quebec liberals introduced thi ssummer to ban the niqab from government buildings. This is their home province, so if they're so indignant over it why aren't they calling the Quebec Liberal and PQ leaders names? The majority isn't always right - the history of our species is replete with examples of majorities oppressing minorities. We need leaders who will stand up for principles, not ones who will pander to fear-mongering. And yet, a poll yesterday showed support for banning the niqab is actually higher among immigrants than among 'old stock' Canadians. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Support for banning the niqab is 'deep and wide' according to a poll released in the Ottawa Citizen today, and is even higher among immigrants than old stock Canadians. The great majority of both groups also want to ban niqabs from public buildings. Large majorities of party supporters for ALL political parties are in favour of the ban, incuding 62% of Liberals and 72% of New Democrats. http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/loewen-support-for-conservatives-niqab-ban-is-deep-and-wide-even-among-immigrants Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Grow up. Canada doesn't agree with you on this subject. Tough noogies. Luckily the charter and the courts do. So tough noogies? BTW, what are noogies, in your world? Quote
PIK Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 The charter, I am so sick of hearing about the charter, and the courts. I always thought parliament ran the country. But I would bet P.E.T. would be rolling in his grave at the way his charter has been abused. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
ToadBrother Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 The charter, I am so sick of hearing about the charter, and the courts. I always thought parliament ran the country. But I would bet P.E.T. would be rolling in his grave at the way his charter has been abused. And once again, Parliamentary supremacy has never existed in Canada. Prior to the Supreme Court gaining the power to judge constitutional cases in the 1940s, the British Privy Council decided them. Did you fail social studies or something? Do you not understand the divisions of power in Canada? Does it confuse you somehow? Quote
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 And once again, Parliamentary supremacy has never existed in Canada. Prior to the Supreme Court gaining the power to judge constitutional cases in the 1940s, the British Privy Council decided them. Did you fail social studies or something? Do you not understand the divisions of power in Canada? Does it confuse you somehow? And yet, for all your snotty reply, the privy council generally did whatever parliament wanted them to do on legal matters. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 And yet, for all your snotty reply, the privy council generally did whatever parliament wanted them to do on legal matters. Generally they did, but the fact was that Parliament was not its own master in all things. Canada is a confederation, Parliamentary supremacy has never existed in Canada, and never will. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 And yet, for all your snotty reply, the privy council generally did whatever parliament wanted them to do on legal matters. And you would like the courts to do the same. Harper's autocracy would finally be complete. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
BC_chick Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 She was sworn in today wearing her niqab. As much as I don't agree with the niqab, and as much as I hated this issue becoming an election issue (and the repercussions it had for the NDP), I'm really happy to see her sworn in wearing it. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
dialamah Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 She was sworn in today wearing her niqab. As much as I don't agree with the niqab, and as much as I hated this issue becoming an election issue (and the repercussions it had for the NDP), I'm really happy to see her sworn in wearing it. Yeah, I'm happy about that too. I don't mind the niqab so much, but the burka makes me uncomfortable. I wonder what'll happen longer term with this whole issue? Presumably Harper won't be able to change laws around it, if he's got a minority government so hopefully it'll just die a natural death. Quote
dialamah Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Here's an interesting analysis, both of polls and the niqab issue: http://ipolitics.ca/2015/10/08/the-niqab-issue-is-about-to-blow-up-in-stephen-harpers-face/ Quote
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