Canada_First Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 Right on the money jbg. The Arabs in palestine territories need to be moved to neighboring Arab countries.
Canada_First Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 Marcus that will never work large scale and remain a tiny movement. Too many Jews are in positions of influence in western nations. They will never go along with an isolation of Israel.
jbg Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 This is not about Israel going away. This is now about a Palestinian State alongside Israel. Israel is occupying Palestinian land, and this is the #1 problem. It's time to side-step Israel and Israelis, because an overwhelming majority of them will not push for a Palestinian State to be formed. They will continue to support successive racist Israeli governments. It's time to do to Israel, what the international community did to Apartheid South Africa. It's time to culturally and economically, isolate Israel. Which has already started through the BDS movement. There will be no peace until Israel’s occupation of Palestine ends Marcus, an excerpt from your quoted article, There will be no peace until Israel’s occupation of Palestine ends, shows the vacuous nature of any assertion that the goal is a "side by side" Palestinian state. I have highlighted the portions that show that a displacement of Israel is the goal: There can be no negotiations without a clear Israeli commitment to fully withdraw from the Palestinian territory it occupied in 1967, including East Jerusalem; a complete end to all colonial policies; a recognition of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people including their right to self-determination and return; and the release of all Palestinian prisoners. We cannot coexist with the occupation, and we will not surrender to it. We were called upon to be patient, and we were, giving chance after chance to reach a peace agreement. Maybe it is useful to remind the world that our dispossession, forced exile and transfer, and oppression have now lasted for nearly 70 years. The first highlighted reference, to "return" refers to pre-June 1967 Israel, and not to occupied territories. The second highlighted reference, to "70 years" refers to the 1948 founding of the State of Israel, not to the June 1967 War. Right on the money jbg. The Arabs in palestine territories need to be moved to neighboring Arab countries. Interestingly, no Arab countries except Jordan and non-Arab Turkey has stepped up in the latest humanitarian disaster, in which Israel is not involved. Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 When Israeli citizens are encouraged to take arms, and bypass the law then mistakes and atrocities are sure to happen; http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/eritrean-killed-israel-attack-beersheba-151019144228412.html Throwing hundreds of peaceful protestors in jail just adds gas to the fire and creates more potential martyrs: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/palestinians-israel-arrests-151019095911072.html If these Palestinian suicide bent nationalists ever get hold of chemical, biological or radioactive weapons then Israeli policy will have to change. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
marcus Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 Marcus, an excerpt from your quoted article, There will be no peace until Israel’s occupation of Palestine ends, shows the vacuous nature of any assertion that the goal is a "side by side" Palestinian state. I have highlighted the portions that show that a displacement of Israel is the goal: There can be no negotiations without a clear Israeli commitment to fully withdraw from the Palestinian territory it occupied in 1967, including East Jerusalem; a complete end to all colonial policies; a recognition of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people including their right to self-determination and return; and the release of all Palestinian prisoners. We cannot coexist with the occupation, and we will not surrender to it. We were called upon to be patient, and we were, giving chance after chance to reach a peace agreement. Maybe it is useful to remind the world that our dispossession, forced exile and transfer, and oppression have now lasted for nearly 70 years. As it has been mentioned by the leaders of the BDS movement, there is room for negotiations through land swap and compensation for the displaced Palestinians. "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
jbg Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 If these Palestinian suicide bent nationalists ever get hold of chemical, biological or radioactive weapons then Israeli policy will have to change.Are these suicide-bent nationalists going to lay out their terms for their own continued survival? Something like "Daddy if you don't give me a BMW I'm going to kill myself and take you all with me"? How do you change policy with negotiations on that level As it has been mentioned by the leaders of the BDS movement, there is room for negotiations through land swap and compensation for the displaced Palestinians.On what terms? And with a final surrender of all claims? Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Are these suicide-bent nationalists going to lay out their terms for their own continued survival? Something like "Daddy if you don't give me a BMW I'm going to kill myself and take you all with me"? How do you change policy with negotiations on that level On what terms? And with a final surrender of all claims? I do not think that we have seen or experienced what a suicide bent individual can accomplish. Any individual with intent and access to chemical or biological weapons can wreak havoc. When an intelligent (and some of these folks are intelligent if deranged) individual decides to kill as many of his/her enemy as possible while giving up their own lives then we have almost no defenses. If you have no plans on escape then it gives you many more options as to procedure. Someone with access to live Anthrax or Ebola or Smallpox or Plague biological material and access to the drinking water or food source of an area can easily cause the death of hundreds of thousands of his/her "enemy". The day of superior force of numbers being the deciding factor in confrontations is gone. Wars will not be fought, won or lost on the battlefield but in the areas of innocent civilian population. Might is right but planned martyrdom is more powerful. Edited October 19, 2015 by Big Guy Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jbg Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) I do not think that we have seen or experienced ---SNIP--- You probably support every chemical and biological weapons treaties known to man, right? Edited October 20, 2015 by Charles Anthony [---SNIP---] Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 You probably support every chemical and biological weapons treaties known to man, right? I support the sanctity and reverence for human life - all human life. If others also did then there would be no danger of chemical and biological weapons used by people against other people. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
sharkman Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) I do not think that we have seen or experienced what a suicide bent individual can accomplish. Any individual with intent and access to chemical or biological weapons can wreak havoc. When an intelligent (and some of these folks are intelligent if deranged) individual decides to kill as many of his/her enemy as possible while giving up their own lives then we have almost no defenses. If you have no plans on escape then it gives you many more options as to procedure. Someone with access to live Anthrax or Ebola or Smallpox or Plague biological material and access to the drinking water or food source of an area can easily cause the death of hundreds of thousands of his/her "enemy". The day of superior force of numbers being the deciding factor in confrontations is gone. Wars will not be fought, won or lost on the battlefield but in the areas of innocent civilian population. Might is right but planned martyrdom is more powerful. What? Wars not fought on the battlefield are not wars, they are acts of selfish blind terrorist fanaticism. Muslim extremist countries are on the trash heap of history along with communism. They can not have a healthy society, or economy that allow love and freedom to blossom and spark creative wonder within people. They're too busy trying to stay alive. Such societies are cursed and any measurement proves it, and in desperation muslim extremists turn to terror to maintain control and spread their poison. There is no logic, no reasoning, and no peace with this type of extremist cancer. I am shocked that you admire it. Edited October 20, 2015 by sharkman
jbg Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 I support the sanctity and reverence for human life - all human life. If others also did then there would be no danger of chemical and biological weapons used by people against other people. So ISIS, Hamas and the Palestinian Authority are all going to join hands in the world quest for peace and sing Kumbaya? How heartwarming. Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 What? Wars not fought on the battlefield are not wars, they are acts of selfish blind terrorist fanaticism. Muslim extremist countries are on the trash pile of the world. They can not have a healthy society, or economy that allow love and freedom to blossom and spark creative wonder within people. They're too busy trying to stay alive. Such societies are cursed and any measurement proves it, and in desperation muslim extremists turn to terror to maintain control and spread their poison. There is no logic, no reasoning, and no peace with this type of extremist cancer. I am shocked that you admire it. When people are prepared to put their lives on the line for something then they use whatever is available at hand. Military engagements take place between factions that have militaries. If you have no navy, no army, no airplanes and no armaments then you fight with what you have. When all you have available is people then you sacrifice people. Do you really think that if the people in Gaza had navy, an army and an air force that they would be wasting time stabbing people? I have no intention of trying to convince anyone of the who are good guys or bad guys in the Middle East. Just like the locals, observers have also taken sides and have no intention of considering other points of view. Save the dramatic "shocked that you admire it" for those who share your analysis. Mesopotamia was the cradle of civilization and people in the Middle East were building pyramids when Europeans were living in straw huts and North Americans were discovering corn. You underestimate your enemy and you seal your demise. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
sharkman Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) No, it is shocking that you admire it, and doubly so that you don't take it back in embarrassment. That you are a sympathizer of these terrorists shows your true colours. Idiots that hide behind little children in hospitals and schools quite willing to sacrifice other peoples children and families. What rot. Edited October 20, 2015 by sharkman
jbg Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) When people are prepared to put their lives on the line for ---SNIP--- That reasoning is despicable. Do German ethnics mount quixotic stabblng attacks on Slovaks, Czechs, Poles and Ukrainians? Are Jews running around stabbling just about every European interest known to man? Or fighting them with armies? Of course not. When you lose, sometimes you reach the best modus viviendi you can. Unless the "world bodies" decide it's a good idea to fan the flames, along with media. Edited October 20, 2015 by Charles Anthony [---SNIP---] Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 No, it is shocking that you admire it, and doubly so that you don't take it back in embarrassment. That you are a sympathizer of these terrorists shows your true colours. Idiots that hide behind little children in hospitals and schools quite willing to sacrifice other peoples children and families. What rot. You continue to make assumptions based on your apparent dislike for Big Guy and attack the messenger. That is your right but does discredit you understanding of the issues. Unless you have something to add to the issue please do not waste my and your time and instead apply it to spending more time investigating the cause of unrest in the Middle East. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) That reasoning is despicable. Do German ethnics mount quixotic stabblng attacks on Slovaks, Czechs, Poles and Ukrainians? Are Jews running around stabbling just about every European interest known to man? Or fighting them with armies? Of course not. When you lose, sometimes you reach the best modus viviendi you can. Unless the "world bodies" decide it's a good idea to fan the flames, along with media. When you have been pushed into a corner by superior might, then to survive, you fight with whatever you have available. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/west-bank-gripped-fresh-violence-151020111836179.html And http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/shot-shattered-bloody-ramallah-hospital-palestine-israel-151019075308064.html Edited October 20, 2015 by Big Guy Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
sharkman Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 You continue to make assumptions based on your apparent dislike for Big Guy and attack the messenger. That is your right but does discredit you understanding of the issues. Unless you have something to add to the issue please do not waste my and your time and instead apply it to spending more time investigating the cause of unrest in the Middle East. Please stop attacking the messenger. Perhaps it would help to to realize your view of the ME is badly skewed by your biases. Terrorism is the worst form of corward actions and until you can agree its wrong there is no value in your posting here. Hate speech is illegal in canada.
Big Guy Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) Please stop attacking the messenger. Perhaps it would help to to realize your view of the ME is badly skewed by your biases. Terrorism is the worst form of corward actions and until you can agree its wrong there is no value in your posting here. Hate speech is illegal in canada. Terrorism is the use of actions which create terror in individuals to get them to do something. I suggest that you review your definitions before attempting to criticize others. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are two examples of very successful use of terror They frightened a country into surrendering. Israel dropped bombs on Gaza and killed about 2,000 civilians. Since Gaza had no air force it was a shut out. It was also fairly effective since the number of wonky rockets going into Israel decreased greatly. I suggest that you also review what is a cowardly act. I do not think that killing yourself while trying to kill as many as possible of those, who you consider the enemy, to be a cowardly act. Those who did that on the Western side during the wars were honoured as heroes. You obviously do not understand the enemy and fortunately are not in a position to create policy against them. In closing, our views on the Middle East do differ greatly. You are mistaken and have fallen for the worst kind of racism and propaganda. That is your choice and your right. Good for you. To respond to another poster is not a mandate, or a command or an obligation but it is a courtesy. I extend that courtesy to those who are courteous. You no longer fall into that category for me. Thanks for your time. Edited October 21, 2015 by Big Guy Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Hudson Jones Posted October 21, 2015 Author Report Posted October 21, 2015 Are Jews running around stabbling When you lose, sometimes you reach the best modus viviendi you can. Unless the "world bodies" decide it's a good idea to fan the flames, along with media. Extremist Israeli Jews don't need to stab to show their inhumanity. They have guns and planes to kill. When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
sharkman Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Terrorism is the use of actions which create ---SNIP--- Thus you ignore facts and twist realities. I guess it has always been such in the ME, or maybe you really don't understand what terrorism is and that the depraved militant muslims that use it are crazed individuals that you should be condemning, not defending. Posts from individuals that defend terrorism should be censored from the internet in Canada, and one day may be. Courtesy? You only offer such to sympathizers, so what is it worth? Edited October 21, 2015 by Charles Anthony [---SNIP---]
sharkman Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 Extremist Israeli Jews don't need to stab to show their inhumanity. They have guns and planes to kill.The reason ANY society can invent, engineer and design any technology that helps it feed its people and keep them safe springs from free societies that grow in creativity, love and peace. Extremist muslim societies have none of that and only survive because the West pities their depraved existence. They can't develop technology and generate wealth(save for raping the earth of oil) because they are too busy trying find enough to eat.
eyeball Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 Terrorism is the worst form of corward actions and until you can agree its wrong there is no value in your posting here. No. The most cowardly and sinister an action that anyone can commit is to impose a dictatorship on a weaker people in another country. The enduring harm and fallout - terrorism, refugees, radicalism etc - is so great it should be high amongst the very worst crimes against humanity that can be committed. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Big Guy Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 Thus you ignore facts and twist realities. I guess it has always been such in the ME, or maybe you really don't understand what terrorism is and that the depraved militant muslims that use it are crazed individuals that you should be condemning, not defending. Posts from individuals that defend terrorism should be censored from the internet in Canada, and one day may be. Courtesy? You only offer such to sympathizers, so what is it worth? Thank you for a civil response. You still view the enemy as "depraved" and "crazed". You have fallen for their propaganda and that of those who have no idea of the intelligence of the enemy that we are facing. These folks are using social media, video, social services and nationalism in their war. I do not know if you have noticed but they are kicking the bejeebers out of us. If any group of individuals are "depraved" and "crazed" and are still well enough organized to beat the hell out of our forces then what does that say about our forces. It is people like you who refuse to accept the strength and organization of our enemy. Keep looking at these "terrorists" and "depraved" and "crazed" as some king of aberration of human nature and then try to explain why they wield the power and are winning the war in the Middle East. I am not a cheerleader, I do not condemn or defend or excuse or whatever. Those are emotional positions that do nothing to try to analyze the reasons for a problem and a subsequent solution. You are free to condemn, sigh, wring your hands, accuse, or do anything else which makes you feel better. I am more concerned with trying to find out the causes of conflict and a subsequent solution. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) I am more concerned with trying to find out the causes of conflict and a subsequent solution. Hah...I would have thought the cause was obvious enough by now. The whole debate is so abstract now that I think it's fair to ask if we're seeing the start of WW3 unfold or WW1 simply flaring up again. In any case and in the face of such a spectacle of confusion and cross purposes all that remains for us poor befuddled spectators is to...make popcorn. Edited October 21, 2015 by eyeball A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Rue Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) The responses by terrorist apologists on this thread are of course expected, predictable and repetitive and so is the attempt to portray terrorists as victims with no other choices but to engage in terror and to depict those on this forum who defend terrorists as victims or due behaviour or personal attack when they are challenged for the words they state. The use of victim category to depict both the apologists for terrorism on this thread and terrorists engaging in terror speaks for itself. The use of the victim card to emotionally manipulate in my opinion is a device used to detract from their failed apoligies. Big Guy stated: "terrorism is the use of action which creates terror to get to do something". The above definition doesn't define terrorism let alone even attempt explain it..... "get to do something" is a meaningless descriptor..its akin to me stating that breathing is the act of breathing. Terrorism is in fact the use of violent tactics to kill, injure, molest, maim, injure and scare the innocent and the connected tactic of making the innocent indistinguishable from the guilty. In the definition Big Guy uses, terrorism is any bombing or any act he subjectively feels is terrorist. Big Guy came on this board and equated Hiroshima and Nagasaki to what Palestinian terrorists do. I would contend his "reasoning" to be able to conclude this takes entirely different categories of killing, and mushes them into one category. For me these words illustrate complete ignorance as to the difference in the actions he has mushed together and necessarily equates all killings of civilians as terrorist. Then using that reasoning asks us to infer its not fair to criticize Palestinian terrorism since in his reasoning others did it. If you do it, I get to do it. That's the argument melted down. There's no analysis of ethics, morality, simply, you do it, I get to do it. There is absolutely no doubt that the nuclear bombings of Japan were designed to serve as a psychological weapon and terroris engages in psychology of intimidation and spreading fear and in that sense they both share that quality. However the aim of the United States was not to kill all Japanese and prevent them from having a state for Japanese people to live as is the object of terrorism right now on the West Bank in regards o Jews. T The nuclear bomb attacks were not surprise attacks that indiscriminately killed civilians by a military disguised as civilians attacking from the guise of being civilians....nor did the US use Japanese dressed as journalists, to deliver the bombs. They in fact used clearly painted US aircraft, gave multiple warnings and after using these devastating weapons did not remove Japanese from Japan, tell them they can't exist as Japanese national collective in Japan. The US does not advocate a religion defining Japanese as going to hell and being infidels as Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. do with Jews. It did not define Japanese as lesser humans not entitled to have a nation. So the analogy of Palestinian terrorists to the US in WW2 is clearly defective. Palestinian terrorists are deliberately using the guise... the mask of looking like innocent Palestinians or journalists, or anything they can get their hands on to to kill in a cowardly manner. They don't wear military uniforms, their targets are civilians and their raison d'etre is couched as religious, i.e., infidel Jews trying to gain access to holy Muslim sites. The agenda to engage in a genocide of Jews, is in the charters of the PA, Hamas, Hezbollah, and its expressed daily on their radio and on their television stations and in their news media and in the speeches of their mullahs in mosques-it calls for the genocide of Jews not just in Israel but worldwide. Their charters, their public expressions, their media make it clear and whether it be the PA Charter, Hamas or Hezbollah charter they clearly state they are at war to get rid of Israel as a Jewish state, and not just stop there, but to wipe out Jews world wide as they establish a one world caliph government of Muslim clergy. Of course Big Guy and Hudson Jones will not acknowledge that. Their script only allows them to pretext terrorists as understandable victims. Revealing their actual agenda doesn't spin well. Fundamentalist extremist Islam doesn't exactly lend itself to sympathy. I would argue they engage in a type of reasoning that if logically followed would define Hitler as a victim. It necessarily defines people who rape as victims. It depicts people who molest and murder as cowards as victims. This is why on the one hand we see these terrorist apologists on this thread trying to spin, trying to justifying terrorism arguing since Israel bombs Gaza, its justified for Palestinians to stab innocent civilians. It is a selective bias exercise of taking a snap shot of time that looks at only one side's actions in isolation, pretends they were simply done with no reason, and then uses those actions to justify cowardly acts of terrorism as a victim response to be understood, condoned and even pitied. No act of violence by anyone is justified says Big Guy in one thread, then in the same thread defends Palestinian terrorism.The very thesis he proposes he contradicts in the very next sentence. The current tactics being engaged in come from Iran. This is a direct result of Obama giving Iran the green light to do what it wants in the West Bank. It is a direct follow up and pay back by Obama and Kerry to Israel for Netanyahu refusing to withdraw unilaterally to 1967 borders. Its the continuation of the threat Kerry stated on Obama's behalf that Israel withdraw to unsafe exposed borders or there would be another intifadah. That threat did not work then, and it will not work now While the tactics makes it deliberately impossible to know innocent Palestinian from Palestinian terrorist, innocent Israeli from Palestinian terrorist and will create short term chaos and the death of innocent Palestinians and Israelis it will not work. . It is exactly what the terrorists want, responses in the heat of the moment, that will get innocent civilians both Israeli and Palestinian killed. It is a classic predicator of what will happen in Europe in the years to come as terrorists emerge from the Muslim communities in Germany and other nations. Israel is on the front lines of Western society immediately faced with this problem but the conflict is coming to many countries. This is a matter of using the innocent on both sides as shields and camouflage. Its about putting them directly in harm's way to die. Muslim extremists know exactly what they are doing. They are using a tactic that will deliberately kill innocent Muslims as well as non Muslims to create polarization and recruit more Muslims to terror. If we follow Big Guy's position to its logical conclusion, any bombing is terrorist if it kills a civilian unless of course it comes from Hezbollah, Hamas, or other Muslim terrorists then suddenly its justified says Big Guy-why-why because he picks and chooses who he thinks is allowed to be terrorist and who is not. For that reason I dismiss his contentions. I would argue the current terror campaign again shows that Palestinians can not control the terrorists from within that hold them hostage and will slaughter them all to scare them from ever accepting Israel as a Jewish state. The terrorist war of Palestinians is as much a war against Palestinians as it is Israel. It's a war to frighten, paralyze and silence moderate Muslims world wide and serve as a warning not just to the world but Palestinians , that these terrorists will never allow peace with Israel and if you try get along-we will get you shot. This is simply a continuation of Muslim extremist terrorism continuing to manifest its expression and its ideology of despising Jews and so the very idea of a Jew existing let alone a Jew being equal in any status and existing in the Middle East. It is no different than how these same Muslim extremists define their fellow Muslims, Christians, Bahaiis, Zorostreans. Buddists, Hindus, on and on. It is no different than how the Mufti of Jerusalem living in a stolen Jewish home during WW2 as a guest of Hitler, called for the world wide extermination of Jews, advised Eichman to use cynide gas, and also spred false rumours to incite riots in Jerusalem by saying Jews were trying to take over the Mosque. Nothing has changed. But hey the anti Israelis claim extremist Israelis have guns and planes that kill. Its not about Muslim extremism...Its not about defending against Muslim extremism....its about ignoring terrorism and anti semitic hatred and Palestinian terrorism, and simply focusing on Israelis and calling them names. Just another day on the forum. Another day to piss at Israel and cheer on tragedy and violence. Edited October 24, 2015 by Rue
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