drummindiver Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) You know the Prime Minister is not our Head of State, right? Your point? Do you believe David Johnston more powerful/important than Harper? How many ppl can even identify Johnston as GG.. It's very quaint that he holds parties and entertains Canada's guests. I guess for some that is where the real power lies. My point, is that if you should not have dual citizenship as a senator in Canada, then why should you be allowed as Prime Minister, the head of government in Canada. Whether this happened in 1763, 1867, 2012, or today is irrelevant to me. And please, I know we weren't a country during the Proclamation of 1763..we are just paying for it as if we were. Thank you for your interest in my Canadian knowledge. As usual, Guyser has not added one iota of intelligent contribution to anything. If you find this debate shallow and stupid it is well above your level of comprehension and intelligence level. Edited January 22, 2015 by drummindiver Quote
Wilber Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 Right, wrong or indifferent, I think it's an impediment for anyone seeking to be a country's leader. You need every vote you can get and there a bound to be some who would be confused, if not put off by someone having duel citizenship......as can clearly be seen in this thread. I agree but Squid is right about an EU passport being very valuable in many occupations. I qualify for a British passport through my mother and often thought about getting one but now I am retired, it doesn't seem important any more and I will always be a Canadian anyway. My sister got one, I think just to feel closer to her mother, who ironically had carried only a Canadian passport for more than the last 60 years of her life. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
drummindiver Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) No, it gives me several advantages, like travelling and working in EU countries. What are you so afraid of? Spies? You need to work in several EU countries as PM? You need this to travel in EU countries as PM? Really? I didn't realize that the PM would want to work in EU countries as a PM. I also didn't realize how difficult it would be for him to travel there. I'm glad some of you have dual citizenship. If you become PM of Canada, that is when it would be of concern to me, regardless of how "stupid and shallow" some of you may find my concern. Edited January 20, 2015 by drummindiver Quote
The_Squid Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 ... Turner was born in the UK to a Canadian mother so he didn't have any choice as to whether he had dual citizenship. He certainly didn't actively seek it. I don't know that this would have been true... He became a Canadian citizen at some point... probably as a child, I would think. Generally, you have to apply to have dual citizenship; it isn't simply automatic. You need to work in several EU countries as PM? You need this to travel in EU countries as PM? Really? I didn't realize that the PM would want to work in EU countries as a PM. I also didn't realize how difficult it would be for him to travel there. I'm glad some of you have dual citizenship. If you become PM of Canada, that is when it would be of concern to me, regardless of how "stupid and shallow" some of you may find my concern. PIK didn't mention the PM nor did I in my reply. However, it makes no difference whether the PM is a dual citizen or not... there is nothing that prevents it. And I don't get all worked up about someone's citizenship, PM or not. It says nothing about their loyalty or ability to perform their duties. Are you afraid the PM being a spy??? Quote
guyser Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) My point, is that if you should not have dual citizenship as a senator in Canada,Your point is incorrect. Sorry 'bout that chief. As usual, Guyser has not added one iota of intelligent contribution to anything. If you find this debate shallow and stupid it is well above your level of comprehension and intelligence level.Except I tried to tell you the correct thing , but stubbornly refused to go off and learn. And look above, still wrong. If 'not added one iota of intelligent contribution ' equals being right while you are still SOS......well, what can I say. Im guessing this isnt going the way you wanted. Next time learn the constitution you are quoting instead of embarassing yourself. You're welcome. Edited January 20, 2015 by Guyser2 Quote
drummindiver Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Posted January 20, 2015 I don't know that this would have been true... He became a Canadian citizen at some point... probably as a child, I would think. Generally, you have to apply to have dual citizenship; it isn't simply automatic. PIK didn't mention the PM nor did I in my reply. However, it makes no difference whether the PM is a dual citizen or not... there is nothing that prevents it. And I don't get all worked up about someone's citizenship, PM or not. It says nothing about their loyalty or ability to perform their duties. Are you afraid the PM being a spy??? lol. Are you Guyser in disguise, because this is beyond ludicrous. It directly says something about their loyalty. Didn't mention the PM? Who/what are we talking about, because you've absolutely lost me if we aren't. Quote
drummindiver Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Posted January 20, 2015 Your point is incorrect. Sorry 'bout that chief. Except I tried to tell you the correct thing , but stubbornly refused to go off and learn. And look above, still wrong. If 'not added one iota of intelligent contribution ' equals being right while you are still SOS......well, what can I say. Im guessing this isnt going the way you wanted. Next time learn the constitution you are quoting instead of embarassing yourself. You're welcome. Yes, I've directly quoted the Constitution. Sorry, you must be right because you said you are with no supporting evidence except your say so. Which is of course all you need, Oh Omnipotent One. Quote
guyser Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) Yes, I've directly quoted the Constitution. Sorry, you must be right because you said you are with no supporting evidence except your say so. Which is of course all you need, Oh Omnipotent One. LOL...come on, are you writing comedy or what? Post 14 answered the question. And yes, thanks for quoting the Constitution, didja happen to read it, becuase it refutes what you are trying to say. Aww...since following along is hard, it states a Senator (<----that means one who ALREADY is one) cannot swear another countries allegiance. But if they already have it...so be it. D'oh ! Edited January 20, 2015 by Guyser2 Quote
The_Squid Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 lol. Are you Guyser in disguise, because this is beyond ludicrous. It directly says something about their loyalty. Didn't mention the PM? Who/what are we talking about, because you've absolutely lost me if we aren't. I won't bother holding your hand and linking the post that I responded to, but you should go back and read it. The post I was responding to was about dual citizenship for any Canadian. Hence my reply didn't include anything about the PM... Quote
guyser Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 ... probably as a child, I would think. Generally, you have to apply to have dual citizenship; it isn't simply automatic.If mom was CDN then it is automatic (or dad) for the child to become CDN, no matter where born Quote
overthere Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 If mom was CDN then it is automatic (or dad) for the child to become CDN, no matter where born No, it is not automatic. An appliciation is required and you must prove parental citizenship. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
guyser Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) No, it is not automatic. An appliciation is required and you must prove parental citizenship. Oh ok thanks Would you mind calling Immigration and Citizenship in Ottawa and tell them? They are handing out the wrong information. If a child is born outside Canada to a parent that is a CDN citizen (pre '09) then you automatically are a CDN citizen. Edited January 20, 2015 by Guyser2 Quote
overthere Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 My niece: born in Canada, resident elsewhere- just did it for both her children, born outside Canada. It was a slow process and also quite expensive. Both her children were born before 2009. She could not get CDN passports for either child until they were determined to be citizens and given documentation to that effect. So, no, it is not automatic. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
PIK Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 I do not want a leader that has given allegiance to another country. It is very simple. You are canadian or not, or go to france and run their. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Topaz Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 Well, lets see...should Harper still be the PM for his party trying to bribe a vote, being held in contempt of Parliament, all the scams, schemes, charges from Election Canada for robo calls, overspending during a election..... this party and PM doesn't know the meaning of the words trust worthy, respectability or accountable. Quote
Remiel Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 Maybe we should focus less on the relative risk of allowing certain people to become Prime Minister and instead focusing on effective methods for holding them to account for when they fall off the wagon. Because, you know, judging from the out and out theft of tax dollars for partisan purposes by the CPC Government, there seems to be jack all in the way of rules preventing or punishing what they are doing. One way you know somebody is above the law is that there is literally no law to address their wrongdoings. Quote
guyser Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 My niece: born in Canada, resident elsewhere- just did it for both her children, born outside Canada. It was a slow process and also quite expensive. Both her children were born before 2009. She could not get CDN passports for either child until they were determined to be citizens and given documentation to that effect. So, no, it is not automatic. Oh i see. Yea, it is automatic. Those kids were automatically CDN's citizens since they were born outside Canada to a Cdn citizen. Your niece had to get Proof of Citizenship (yours and mine are Prov Birth Certs) in order to get passports. But they were CDN citizens. You are forgiven for not understanding the rules. Please cancel the call to Immigration then. Quote
guyser Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 the out and out theft of tax dollars for partisan purposes by the CPC Government,Probably best to change the 'CPC' to any govt, Feds and Prov. Quote
guyser Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 “Am I Canadian?” See if you are already a citizenYou are probably a Canadian citizen if…•you were born in Canada,•you applied for and received your Canadian citizenship (this is called becoming a naturalized citizen),•you received Canadian citizenship as a minor when a parent or legal guardian naturalized you by applying for your citizenship,•you were born outside Canada after April 17, 2009, and at least one of your parents was born in Canada, We can call person A Sarah.... Sarah was born in Canada. While living outside Canada, Sarah gives birth to Jessica. Jessica’s father is also a Canadian citizen. Jessica is a Canadian citizen at birth and is born in the first generation outside Canada. Sarah and Jessica continue to live outside Canada. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules_2009.asp Quote
cybercoma Posted January 20, 2015 Report Posted January 20, 2015 Do you believe David Johnston more powerful/important than Harper?Seeing as the Prime Minister only sits as long as he has the confidence of the House, yeah. I think the monarch is more powerful and important than Harper. Quote
dre Posted January 21, 2015 Report Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Right, wrong or indifferent, I think it's an impediment for anyone seeking to be a country's leader. You need every vote you can get and there a bound to be some who would be confused, if not put off by someone having duel citizenship......as can clearly be seen in this thread. Sure but lets face it... The hacks whining about it in this thread would not vote for Mulcair even if he was the most "Canadian" person in history of the universe. I wonder when they are going to demand to see the "long form" version of his birth certificate? What does Donald Trump have to say about this!!! Edited January 21, 2015 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
eyeball Posted January 21, 2015 Report Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Right, wrong or indifferent, I think it's an impediment for anyone I seeking to be a country's leader. You need every vote you can get and there a bound to be some who would be confused, if not put off by someone having duel citizenship......as can clearly be seen in this thread. Dumb democracy down for the base...doesn't get much baser than that. Edited January 21, 2015 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
drummindiver Posted January 21, 2015 Author Report Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) LOL...come on, are you writing comedy or what? Post 14 answered the question. And yes, thanks for quoting the Constitution, didja happen to read it, becuase it refutes what you are trying to say. Aww...since following along is hard, it states a Senator (<----that means one who ALREADY is one) cannot swear another countries allegiance. But if they already have it...so be it. D'oh ! "Aww...since following along is hard, it states a Senator (<----that means one who ALREADY is one) cannot swear another countries allegiance. But if they already have it...so be it." And this advances your argument how? If anything, it substantiates mine. As you say, if they already have it, so be it. But, if you are going to serve, you'd better serve the ppl paying your way ie Canadians. If having dual (duel, as some of you learned ppl are wont to say) is as acceptable as you claim, why then is it forbidden? That doesn't seem right, does it? Edited January 22, 2015 by drummindiver Quote
drummindiver Posted January 21, 2015 Author Report Posted January 21, 2015 Seeing as the Prime Minister only sits as long as he has the confidence of the House, yeah. I think the monarch is more powerful and important than Harper. You are being purposely disingenuous. The Prime Minister, as being first among equals, is elected to govern. The GG is appointed for five years in a ceremonial role. They do have prerogative powers, but only used during extreme trials and tribulations. If your position is that the GG is more powerful than the PM, I see your face palm and up you a nuclear face palm. Quote
guyser Posted January 21, 2015 Report Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) And this advances your argument how? If anything, it substantiates mine.Substantiate what ? Well I tried to go back and re-visit your intitial post, but lo and behold it is gone. I wonder why? Get rid of evidence proving you didnt know what you were talking about? I guess so. if not, please enlighten us. Thats the very first time I have ever seen that done by anyone here. ANyhow, to recap, it is NOT against the Constitution for a MP to have dual citizenship, nor a Senator since it is grandfathered. But once a Senator, one cannot then get it. Edited January 21, 2015 by Guyser2 Quote
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