Taxpayers billed $10,000 to Wipe McGuinty's Computers

[Keepitsimple]

Incredible! Premier Dad. The Education Premier. The guy who The Star fawned over for 10 years. eHealth. Ornge. Gas Plants. Green Energy fiasco. And yet McGuinty is still not implicated as the "enabler" for all this corruption and incompetence. How can he not be seen as the person who fostered what in retrospect was - and continues to be the most inept, corrupt government in the history of Ontario. And now we have the PanAm Games and Mars scandals and no end in sight to our back-breaking levels of debt.

Incredible - because at the Federal level - everything, however minor, leads backs to Harper.....but with the Ontario Liberals - nothing leads back to McGuinty. Rather strange because as we all know, there is no bias in news reporting! .

Link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario-liberals-paid-10000-to-wipe-hard-drives-in-premiers-office-police-say/article22146839/

Edited December 19, 2014 by Keepitsimple

[GostHacked]

It's small change, but the investigations should lead to something bigger as a problem. You lay it out as well. Why is he not accountable for his screw ups? Government officials are the least accountable next to bankers.

[Big Guy]

It may have something to do with management style. The Harper style is full control of everything. Anything that happens (or anybody who says anything) has to go through the PMO. It has worked well for him hence his longevity at the top. But the down side is that everything leads to the PMO since everything goes through the PMO.

The Dalton style was more to give his cabinet responsibilities and the ability to make their own decisions - and their own mistakes. It worked for him. He was at the top for a long time. As far as the Dalton government being the "most" anything in Ontario history. There have been some pretty crooked governments in the past.

This latest revelation as to the wiping out of data - if it is shown to be illegal then those involved should be brought to justice. I did not support the Wynne Liberals in the last election and was surprised at the win - but we are in a democracy, she won a majority within the system and I wish her well. I have a lot of time and money invested in Ontario. I support my Premier and hope she manages Ontario well in the next 3+ years.

[Boges]

This will really hurt them during the next election!

Wait what?

[The_Squid]

Certainly doesn't look good for the previous Premier...

but the rant about media bias, blah, blah, blah... the facts are damning enough without needing to give a paranoid rant about the "left-wing media".

[Keepitsimple]

Certainly doesn't look good for the previous Premier...

but the rant about media bias, blah, blah, blah... the facts are damning enough without needing to give a paranoid rant about the "left-wing media".

Then please - tell me - when is McGuinty going to be pilloried in the press for the incompetence and corruption that he enabled - that he fostered?

[The_Squid]

Then please - tell me - when is McGuinty going to be pilloried in the press for the incompetence and corruption that he enabled - that he fostered?

Every news outlet in Ontario is reporting this story... what should the media be doing?

[Keepitsimple]

Every news outlet in Ontario is reporting this story... what should the media be doing?

Reflecting on McGuinty's record of incompetence and corruption - beyond the Gas Plants......and what that means to the Liberal Party of today - Mars, Pan am games, unconscionable debt levels, continued energy fiasco - Charielli and the auditor general. Tie it all together........because it is all tied together - and it's continuing with no end in sight. That's what the media should be doing.

[Argus]

Every news outlet in Ontario is reporting this story... what should the media be doing?

Demanding answers from Wynn, who was a cabinet minister then, and impugning the reputation of the entire Ontario Liberal party the way the do the federal tories whenever anything they do gets screwed up.

[Ash74]

Demanding answers from Wynn, who was a cabinet minister then, and impugning the reputation of the entire Ontario Liberal party the way the do the federal tories whenever anything they do gets screwed up.

This IS the Ontario Liberal Party reputation.

Nothing has changed since Wynne took over and the games keep being played.

Teacher buy out before the election and hiding the cost

MARS cost and hiding it during the election

Auditor report

Pan Am expenses

Credit downgrading

It is just going to keep on going

[jacee]

Incredible! Premier Dad. The Education Premier. The guy who The Star fawned over for 10 years. eHealth. Ornge. Gas Plants. Green Energy fiasco. And yet McGuinty is still not implicated as the "enabler" for all this corruption and incompetence. How can he not be seen as the person who fostered what in retrospect was - and continues to be the most inept, corrupt government in the history of Ontario. And now we have the PanAm Games and Mars scandals and no end in sight to our back-breaking levels of debt.

Incredible - because at the Federal level - everything, however minor, leads backs to Harper.....but with the Ontario Liberals - nothing leads back to McGuinty. Rather strange because as we all know, there is no bias in news reporting! .

Link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario-liberals-paid-10000-to-wipe-hard-drives-in-premiers-office-police-say/article22146839/

Hunh?

It's pretty clear it all leads to McGuinty. Not sure what you're on about here.

He resigned.

And investigations of criminal activity are still in progress.

What else are you looking for?

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[Bob Macadoo]

everything, however minor, leads backs to Harper.....but with the Ontario Liberals - nothing leads back to McGuinty. Rather strange because as we all know, there is no bias in news reporting!

I would think this is all hanging on McGuinty else Wynne couldn't have won the election. As fot wiping hard drives.....unfortunately thats SOP of all levels of gov't. I'd expect Harper's bill for this will be >>> $10k

Edited December 20, 2014 by Bob Macadoo

[Keepitsimple]

I would think this is all hanging on McGuinty else Wynne couldn't have won the election. As fot wiping hard drives.....unfortunately thats SOP of all levels of gov't. I'd expect Harper's bill for this will be >>> $10k

Both you and Jacee have said "it's clear" and "I would think".......but my point is where was/is the in depth reporting of exactly that - that McGuinty spawned the entire deep-rooted incompetence and corruption that led to the multi-billion dollar fiascos. The guy resigned - and nobody went after him....they still haven't gone after him. Perhaps as someone said - his management style made him oblivious to everything going on around him - which would simply lead to more arrogance and ineptitude. Billions of wasted dollars. But I guess in the end - we can blame it on Hudak's miserable personality and stupid stubbornness. An empty chair should have been able to beat Wynne - but we're now stuck with the Chiarellis and De Sousas - Lord help us all. Oh - and by the way - Ontario's credit rated has been downgraded again to double A Minus.

[jacee]

Both you and Jacee have said "it's clear" and "I would think".......but my point is where was/is the in depth reporting of exactly that - that McGuinty spawned the entire deep-rooted incompetence and corruption that led to the multi-billion dollar fiascos. The guy resigned - and nobody went after him....they still haven't gone after him. Perhaps as someone said - his management style made him oblivious to everything going on around him - which would simply lead to more arrogance and ineptitude. Billions of wasted dollars.

The whole investigation is focussed on 'who gave the orders'. Obviously, it's a process and they're just getting the staffers who wiped the data now. It'll depend on what they say about who gave the orders.

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[Keepitsimple]

The whole investigation is focussed on 'who gave the orders'. Obviously, it's a process and they're just getting the staffers who wiped the data now. It'll depend on what they say about who gave the orders.

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Humorous to see how open-minded you are with McGuinty.....and the process that has to unfold. It seems to me you were adamant that Harper was behind the Robocalls - and he also knew all about and condoned Nigel Wright's $90,000 payment to Mike Duffy.

[jacee]

Humorous to see how open-minded you are with McGuinty.....and the process that has to unfold. It seems to me you were adamant that Harper was behind the Robocalls - and he also knew all about and condoned Nigel Wright's $90,000 payment to Mike Duffy.

There's always a process that needs to unfold to see who's going to talk.

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[guyser]

Both you and Jacee have said "it's clear" and "I would think".......but my point is where was/is the in depth reporting of exactly that - that McGuinty spawned the entire deep-rooted incompetence and corruption that led to the multi-billion dollar fiascos. The guy resigned - and nobody went after him....they still haven't gone after him.

It would appear that you read some media in order to come to the conclusion that McGuinty was bad and to blame him for the fiascos.

I agree.

I read it in newspapers. All the time. Where did you get your info ?

[Moonbox]

The whole investigation is focussed on 'who gave the orders'. Obviously, it's a process and they're just getting the staffers who wiped the data now. It'll depend on what they say about who gave the orders.

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Don't you find it unlikely that the premier wasn't aware of the computers in the premier's offices being wiped? Can you give us an idea of how that would even be realistically possible?

[The_Squid]

It would appear that you read some media in order to come to the conclusion that McGuinty was bad and to blame him for the fiascos.

I agree.

I read it in newspapers. All the time. Where did you get your info ?

Papers do not report this apparently... it may be in the papers... you may have read it there... but the left-wing media would never report this story!

LOL

Well said Guyser2,

[Keepitsimple]

It would appear that you read some media in order to come to the conclusion that McGuinty was bad and to blame him for the fiascos.

I agree.

I read it in newspapers. All the time. Where did you get your info ?

Unfortunately, I have to draw my own conclusions most of the time......the deleted emails were just another example. How can his Chief of Staff authorize a cheque to pay the Deputy Chief of Staff's spouse to wipe computers in the Premiers Office........and McGuinty not be aware? Where were/are the headlines "What did McGuinty know - and when did he know it". Where is the dog-on-a-bone journalism CBC and The Star employ for Harper and the Conservatives?

[guyser]

Unfortunately, I have to draw my own conclusions most of the time

But without reading/listening about what McQ has done/did , how would you ever know what went on?

You read it in the papers. Or...

You saw it on the news.

......the deleted emails were just another example. How can his Chief of Staff authorize a cheque to pay the Deputy Chief of Staff's spouse to wipe computers in the Premiers Office

Because this appears to be what ALL politico's levaing office do, have done, will do.

Im willing to wager if Harper loses he doesnt say to JT or Mulclair, 'The computer is over there, all my files are in it to help you transition efficiently.

........and McGuinty not be aware? Where were/are the headlines "What did McGuinty know - and when did he know it". Where is the dog-on-a-bone journalism CBC and The Star employ for Harper and the Conservatives?

Ah...so I think I see the problem.

The Star/CBC are letting you down, letting us down because it would appear (at least to you)they arent gnawing on the bone hard enough to produce information.

Funny, one would think that the SUN is chomping on that same bone from another end, and yet....here you sit in the dark blaming the Star/CBC. The SUN have come up with nothing, not even a stinking lie from Ezra LieVant. Hard to believe huh?

What does that tell you so far? It should say, maybe there isnt enough info to be gleaned to produce the result you want.

At least not yet

[Keepitsimple]

Because this appears to be what ALL politico's levaing office do, have done, will do.

Give yourself a shake. Using a private source outside the authorized government IT personnel - and the spouse of the Deputy Chief of Staff to boot.....is not what all politico's do. It's corruption - to cover up more corruption.

[jacee]

Don't you find it unlikely that the premier wasn't aware of the computers in the premier's offices being wiped? Can you give us an idea of how that would even be realistically possible?

Yes I find it unlikely, but getting someone to tell the truth may be even more unlikely.

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[Moonbox]

Yes I find it unlikely, but getting someone to tell the truth may be even more unlikely.

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No doubt, but this seems pretty cut and dry. Premier's office, a contract is paid to get computers wiped and we have an obvious motive for having them wiped.

[jacee]

Sometimes 'orders' from the party intentionally bypass the premier, to keep him 'innocent':

http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/23/ontario-liberals-to-reimburse-taxpayers-10000-paid-to-allegedly-wipe-hard-drives

Premier Kathleen Wynnes press secretary says in a statement that the Ontario Liberal Party executive council voted Monday to cover the payment so no tax dollars go toward work currently under police investigation.

Edited December 24, 2014 by jacee