Vancouver School Board Rejects Corporate Funding

[Wilber]

Yes, that worries me about the loss of control of the parks board.

I think it bodes well for the future of the aquarium,

[WestCoastRunner]

I think it bodes well for the future of the aquarium,

Depends on what you mean by the 'future' of the aquarium.

[Wilber]

Depends on what you mean by the 'future' of the aquarium.

The aquarium is important to all the residents of BC and is about entire province's marine life. It isn't just about Vancouver. As such I think the aquarium should be a provincial institution like the provincial museum and not subject to the vagaries of Vancouver city politics.

[WestCoastRunner]

The aquarium is important to all the residents of BC and is about entire province's marine life. It isn't just about Vancouver. As such I think the aquarium should be a provincial institution like the provincial museum and not subject to the vagaries of Vancouver city politics.

You didn't really say what you mean by the success of the aquarium. How do you define 'success'?

[Wilber]

You didn't really say what you mean by the success of the aquarium. How do you define 'success'?

Your word, not mine.

[WestCoastRunner]

Your word, not mine.

What do you mean by the future (I would assume any person/corporation/entity has a degree of success to have a future) of the aquarium?

[Wilber]

What do you mean by the future (I would assume any person/corporation/entity has a degree of success to have a future) of the aquarium?

Hopefully a future less subject to the whims of ideologs and more concerned with science and education. Just like the education system. Park boards and school boards are there to manage public institutions, not impose their own personal idiology on them.

[WestCoastRunner]

Hopefully a future less subject to the whims of ideologs and more concerned with science and education. Just like the education system. Park boards and school boards are there to manage public institutions, not impose their own personal idiology on them.

But that is your personal opinion, that aquariums should be concerned with science and education and not with the humanity of captured species. Is that not a true statement? Just as I feel that aquariums should encompass all these factors in their programs within the aquarium. Which is why I am concerned with Vision Vancouver losing their seats.

Where does it say that Park Boards are there to mandate where and when wildlife are detained and put on display?

Edited November 17, 2014 by WestCoastRunner

[Wilber]

But that is your personal opinion, that aquariums should be concerned with science and education and not with the humanity of captured species. Is that not a true statement? Just as I feel that aquariums should encompass all these factors in their programs within the aquarium. Which is why I am concerned with Vision Vancouver losing their seats.

What about the humanity of captured species? Which captured species?

[WestCoastRunner]

What about the humanity of captured species? Which captured species?

Well, we certainly can't do much with the species they already have. I have just heard that the breeding ban has been lifted from the aquarium. That is a shame.

[Wilber]

Well, we certainly can't do much with the species they already have. I have just heard that the breeding ban has been lifted from the aquarium. That is a shame.

Why is it a shame? It is certainly preferable to capturing wild animals.

[WestCoastRunner]

Why is it a shame? It is certainly preferable to capturing wild animals.

Why do we need to breed wild animals? Tell me what the advantage is? And why would we need to capture wild animals if we didn't breed them?

Please don't try and tell me that we are all better off viewing wild animals/mammals through a viewing glass?

Edited November 17, 2014 by WestCoastRunner

[Wilber]

Why do we need to breed wild animals? Tell me what the advantage is? And why would we need to capture wild animals if we didn't breed them?

Many species of animals owe their existance to captive breading programs. They would have become extinct without them. Animals bred in captivity know nothing other than captivity, so to say they are wild animals is a stretch. Their chances of survival in the wild would be slim.

I would be far more concerned about the future of race horses that didn't make it big on the track than I would the future of a mammal born in the Vancouver Aquarium.

[WestCoastRunner]

Many species of animals owe their existance to captive breading programs. They would have become extinct without them. Animals bred in captivity know nothing other than captivity, so to say they are wild animals is a stretch. Their chances of survival in the wild would be slim.

I would be far more concerned about the future of race horses that didn't make it big on the track than I would the future of a mammal born in the Vancouver Aquarium.

The Vancouver Aquarium does a great job with rehabilitation. They do not need to breed. Your argument does nothing to support their breeding program.

[Wilber]

The Vancouver Aquarium does a great job with rehabilitation. They do not need to breed. Your argument does nothing to support their breeding program.

We breed all kinds of animals for all kinds of reasons. An animal bred in captivity may be from a species that exists in the wild but they are not wild animals. Whether the aquarium breeds certain species should be on an as needed basis, not one that fits the idiology of a particular group.

You reinforce my assertion that the policies and future of the aquarium should be an issue in whch all British Columbians have a say, not just the residents of Vancouver.

[WestCoastRunner]

You reinforce my assertion that the policies and future of the aquarium should be an issue in whch all British Columbians have a say, not just the residents of Vancouver.

I believe that this should be an issue worldwide.

[overthere]

We breed all kinds of animals for all kinds of reasons.

Mostly to eat. Everything we keep as domestic animals were once wild animals, and not that long ago.

[WestCoastRunner]

Mostly to eat. Everything we keep as domestic animals were once wild animals, and not that long ago.

And that justifies keeping killer whales/dolphins etc contained in a concrete pool away from their natural surroundings?

[overthere]

And that justifies keeping killer whales/dolphins etc contained in a concrete pool away from their natural surroundings?

No, not necessarily. I was simply pointing out the principal purpose of breeding animals: to eat them. If it were profitable to breed dolphins/whales, you can be certain you'd see both on supermarket shelves. Aquaculture is a relatively recent and difficult human endeavour.

[Michael Hardner]

We need corporate funding to support the teachers outlandish salaries. In BC Teachers make $80k a year....that's insane. $80k a year to work a few months a year with summers off and tons of vacation days plus tons of paid sick days. Man teachers have it made, I should've become one. If I had hindsight I would have for sure. I'm totally jealous. Plus they get a $40k a year pension for life...crazy.

Canada - this has been covered elsewhere. The hours are comparable to a 9 to 5 job. $80K a year isn't outlandish for people with education and in a solid career with demand for their services. Why not add something new - we've heard these points so many times before ?

There are others on the education threads who are adding more nuanced comment on the topic, other than comments we have heard thousands of times before.

[Smallc]

That assumes that most people with 9 - 5 jobs bony work extra hours without pay. Virtually all of them do.

[Michael Hardner]

That assumes that most people with 9 - 5 jobs bony work extra hours without pay. Virtually all of them do.

I think the numbers we ran take that into account. It's comparable anyway. The point is never made to imply that there's some margin of error difference in hours, but that teachers receive two months less work in the year which is not the case.

Statscan says work week is just under 37 hours, which is less than were used in the numbers we discussed on the thread.

http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/[email protected]?iid=19

[GostHacked]

That assumes that most people with 9 - 5 jobs bony work extra hours without pay. Virtually all of them do.

Important to note the difference between salary (which means you work as many hours as they tell you) or you are paid hourly. If we stick to comparing salaried jobs it might be better. But even then the comparison is tough because not all jobs have the same level of skill difficulty.

[jacee]

We need corporate funding to support the teachers outlandish salaries. In BC Teachers make $80k a year....that's insane. $80k a year to work a few months a year with summers off and tons of vacation days plus tons of paid sick days. Man teachers have it made, I should've become one. If I had hindsight I would have for sure. I'm totally jealous. Plus they get a $40k a year pension for life...crazy.

So I gather it's too late for you to do a career change? Too bad. I'd really like to see what you had to say about how teachers 'have it made' after a few days in a classroom with 30 hormonal 13 year olds.

I read a job comparison once that said a teacher's job was comparable in complexity to that of a civil engineer. I'd really like to see a civil engineer who could function at that level of complexity while responsible for those 30 hormonal 13 year olds!

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Edited November 23, 2014 by jacee

[Ash74]

I'm in my mid thirties, so I guess it's not too late but I have no desire to go back to University again at this point in my life. I'm too old for frosh now and am too old to go the parties now. I'm not sure I could handle all the beer and pot anymore anyways hahaha...

You know you really raised a good point there. Kids should get extra credit for surviving that first year. I damn near drank myself into a coma and the shrooooms. It is a miracle anybody gets threw that