Argus Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Yes please do give it a rest. Or give it a read. You clearly don't understand the nuances of what's happening. First of all they are not losing their jobs, they are suspended from caucus. That is JT's right since he appointed them in the first place. Anyone in Justin's position with a brain in their head would do the same thing. Those suspended MP's of course have the presumption of innocence, just as you or I do. The story is far from over. Except Trudeau has specifically stated they have no right to a presumption of innocence. As for not losing their jobs, that's a specious argument. He has suspended them from caucus and barred them from running again BEFORE any investigation into what happened. Edited November 7, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Except Trudeau has specifically stated they have no right to a presumption of innocence. As for not losing their jobs, that's a specious argument. He has suspended them from caucus and barred them from running again BEFORE any investigation into what happened. I suspect you made up this post a little hastily. Perhaps you should re think it.. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Women...always the victims and men always the perpetrator....just the way you like it! And don't even try to disagree! Ever heard of a woman falsely accusing a guy? I bet you haven't! why are you more critical of the possibility of a false accusation than you are of the accused? You spend the bulk of your efforts criticizing the victims rather than the perpetrators. You imply that they're liars or mentally unstable or that really they wanted the attention. It's pretty bewildering that you would shame victims as your default position. Quote
Argus Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 I suspect you made up this post a little hastily. Perhaps you should re think it.. Why? Do you believe anything I wrote was incorrect? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Why? Do you believe anything I wrote was incorrect? It's all incorrect. JT didn't say that but regardless, it's a point of law that just simply exists. He can and did suspend them from his caucus. They were elected by their respective constituents and those are the ones that will or won't take them out of their jobs next election. jT can't stop them from running. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 why are you more critical of the possibility of a false accusation than you are of the accused? You spend the bulk of your efforts criticizing the victims rather than the perpetrators. You imply that they're liars or mentally unstable or that really they wanted the attention. It's pretty bewildering that you would shame victims as your default position. No, its about perspective! I believe that Ghomeshi is guilty of sexual harassment because we've heard the victims stories, the only thing I ever questioned was whether those stories...or incidents are criminal charge worthy. I think if you relax, you'd see that. As for this, sorry but I do want to know what the accusations are before throwing out terms like victim and perpetrator. Should a guy lose his livelihood for saying something like "typical woman" or "nice wiggle"? (things women sometimes say to men also) I'm sure you think so, but I'm more compassionate than you. If some guy touched a boob or said "I smell your twat...then maybe yes, he should be let go. But I don't think you or WCR care one iota about what happened, as long as a woman said she was offended - that's all you need. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 First of all, they're not "losing their livelihood" as they will still be sitting as MPs. And yes, I think they should be reprimanded for saying those things because it's utterly disrespectful and inappropriate to make those kinds of comments to a democratically elected representative of a constituency. It's inappropriate to make those comments in just about any professional environment. Here's a novel idea...don't make uninvited comments about your colleagues bodies when you're at work. It's pretty simple. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 No, its about perspective! I believe that Ghomeshi is guilty of sexual harassment because we've heard the victims stories, the only thing I ever questioned was whether those stories...or incidents are criminal charge worthy. I think if you relax, you'd see that. As for this, sorry but I do want to know what the accusations are before throwing out terms like victim and perpetrator. Should a guy lose his livelihood for saying something like "typical woman" or "nice wiggle"? (things women sometimes say to men also) I'm sure you think so, but I'm more compassionate than you. If some guy touched a boob or said "I smell your twat...then maybe yes, he should be let go. But I don't think you or WCR care one iota about what happened, as long as a woman said she was offended - that's all you need. It seems all you are doing is getting a few jollies by saying naughty words when you think women are listening. There is perhaps a rock somewhere with a void under it you should consider going to fill. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 First of all, they're not "losing their livelihood" as they will still be sitting as MPs. And yes, I think they should be reprimanded for saying those things because it's utterly disrespectful and inappropriate to make those kinds of comments to a democratically elected representative of a constituency. It's inappropriate to make those comments in just about any professional environment. Here's a novel idea...don't make uninvited comments about your colleagues bodies when you're at work. It's pretty simple. BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS SAID!!! Whatever was said didn't seem to bother Mulcair. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 It seems all you are doing is getting a few jollies by saying naughty words when you think women are listening. There is perhaps a rock somewhere with a void under it you should consider going to fill. Even though Cybercoma and WCR are misandrists, they at least contribute and bring thought into a discussion, you literally bring nothing - ever. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
WestCoastRunner Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Even though Cybercoma and WCR are misandrists, they at least contribute and bring thought into a discussion, you literally bring nothing - ever. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 I would tend to agree with ogft's assessment. And I quite like men actually. Even though Cybercoma and WCR are misandrists, they at least contribute and bring thought into a discussion, you literally bring nothing - ever. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Even though Cybercoma and WCR are misandrists, they at least contribute and bring thought into a discussion, you literally bring nothing - ever. Oops. I must have hit a nerve. You don't listen to anything brought to your attention that obviates your fairly narrow minded approach. The other two you mention have tried as well. Anyway, move on shall we. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Even though Cybercoma and WCR are misandrists, they at least contribute and bring thought into a discussion, you literally bring nothing - ever.Calling you out for your persistent victim bashing doesn't make me a misandrist, but if it did I'd wear the badge proudly because people like you are the reason so many scumbags get away with it. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 I've got an amusing anecdote; When I was younger, I worked in an office, one of our clients was a mortgage broker (very well off financially) and sent a lot of business our way. He had a wife who was from another country. She wanted to get out of the house so my boss gave her a part time job. One day a group of us were in the lunch room, I was talking about the movie "Dirty, rotten scoundrels" (aging myself) and made the comment that I'd love to move to another country and have a sugar mommy take care of me-lol!. This woman overheard the comment and started blasting me. She went to my boss with a sexual harassment complaint and threatened to tell her husband. My boss had no idea what to do, the entire staff backed up my story, but that may not have even saved my job. My boss said he'd talk to her husband about the misunderstanding. The next day, her husband told my girlfriend (who worked for him) that she's just overly sensitive and that my job was safe. The moral is; let's find out some facts before calling people victims and perpetrators. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Oops. I must have hit a nerve. You don't listen to anything brought to your attention that obviates your fairly narrow minded approach. The other two you mention have tried as well. Anyway, move on shall we. I'm one of the few saying "let's get the facts"...and I'm narrow minded?... More narrow minded than those who want to crucify these men before hearing word one? Really? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Calling you out for your persistent victim bashing doesn't make me a misandrist, but if it did I'd wear the badge proudly because people like you are the reason so many scumbags get away with it. I haven't bashed a single victim, I have not called a single victim liar and I have never suggested that women should do anything other than come forward. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Calling you out for your persistent victim bashing doesn't make me a misandrist, but if it did I'd wear the badge proudly because people like you are the reason so many scumbags get away with it. Get away with what exactly? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) I haven't bashed a single victim, I have not called a single victim liar and I have never suggested that women should do anything other than come forward.Sure you haven't. Was it another poster that called Lucy DeCoutere a looney? Edited November 7, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Sure you haven't. Was it another poster that called Lucy DeCoutere a looney? No, I called her a looney...not because she's a victim or because she's a woman. Calling her a looney is totally independent of her situation. I've never suggested that she was in any way lying. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 I would tend to agree with ogft's assessment. And I quite like men actually. And I quite like women. It seems rather odd to have to state that. Maybe my mommy raised me right but I don't ever recall having any doubts, even in my earliest days of having a girlfriend, about how things were unfolding when it came to sex. my work has been in a male dominated business (aviation) so I have encountered my share of rednecks. In any case if this whole process we see unfolding now helps to "balance the books" then we will all be the better for it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 No, I called her a looney...not because she's a victim or because she's a woman. Calling her a looney is totally independent of her situation. I've never suggested that she was in any way lying. So she may be a truthful looney? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 So she may be a truthful looney? Yes, that's right. Being a looney or a flake don't equate lying. Her story seems quite legit....she's still a flake! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Yes, that's right. Being a looney or a flake don't equate lying. Her story seems quite legit....she's still a flake! What you give with one hand, you quickly take away with the other. That could make you a flake. Quote
August1991 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Like Ghomeshi, this MP story is an "inside the beltway" story. No one in Quebec knows who Ghomeshi is; English-Canadians don't care which NDP MP tried to sleep with which Liberal MPP. While the Toronto media elite - from Andrew Coyne to Chantal Hebert - write about these "scandals", no one else cares. For most people, there are more important questions. IMHO, in this tempest in a teapot, the big winner is Stephen Harper. Edited November 7, 2014 by August1991 Quote
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