On Guard for Thee Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 It is fair, as that really does damage her credibility in the matter. She's accusing someone of a heinous crime. There had better be enough proof. Alright here's your chance. Explain why being a hooker destroys her credibility. Quote
Smallc Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 Alright here's your chance. Explain why being a hooker destroys her credibility. It all depends on the situation. Then again, drug dealers don't have much credibility either. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 Of course they can be raped. Does that not mean that a proper defence can be mounted? Or should we just assume women are raped because they say so? Your position is rediculous. Right. Except you just got through saying she has no credibility because of her sexual history. Somehow that's an appropriate defence to forcing sex upon an unwilling partner according to your arguments here. Who else doesn't have any credibility when it comes to rape claims? People who were drinking at the time? So if I get a woman drunk and force sex on her, it's perfectly fine then, right? How about if she was wearing revealing clothing? I mean surely that's an indicator that she wanted it. Right? How about if she has had a whole bunch of sex partners? That certainly means she doesn't get to say no now all of a sudden. How can you rape someone who so willingly sleeps with so many people, right? Quote
Smallc Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 It does make it harder to believe. That's sort of the point. You want people to suspend all judgment and assume that the claim is true because these are vulnerable people. Most of us can't do that while still maintaining our objectivity. Maybe you can. Everything is circumstantial. The relevance of each detail depends entirely on the situation. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 It all depends on the situation. Then again, drug dealers don't have much credibility either. Well then, following your logic let's go beat the shit out of some drug dealers. They have no rights.... right? Quote
Smallc Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 Well then, following your logic let's go beat the shit out of some drug dealers. They have no rights.... right? No, that's sort of your argument - if a drug dealer claims that they were assaulted, I should automatically believe them while purposefully ignoring their history and the history of the person that they've accused. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 . You want people to suspend all judgment and assume that the claim is true because these are vulnerable people. Most of us can't do that while still maintaining our objectivity. Maybe you can. A very good example of people and their misguided judgement is when prostitutes from the Vancouver DTES repeatedly complained to the VPD that prostitutes were missing and the VPD dismissed the complaints. What did they eventually discover? Pickton!! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 A very good example of people and their misguided judgement is when prostitutes from the Vancouver DTES repeatedly complained to the VPD that prostitutes were missing and the VPD dismissed the complaints. What did they eventually discover? Pickton!! Except that I didn't say that the complaints should be disregarded. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 It does make it harder to believe. That's sort of the point. You want people to suspend all judgment and assume that the claim is true because these are vulnerable people. Most of us can't do that while still maintaining our objectivity. Maybe you can. Everything is circumstantial. The relevance of each detail depends entirely on the situation. Complete nonsense. What if she has a bruises on her face and dna shows his sperm in her vagina. You call that circumstantial? Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 Except that I didn't say that the complaints should be disregarded. Except that you didn't apply much weight to vulnerable people. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 Except that you didn't apply much weight to vulnerable people. I provide weight to evidence. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 No, that's sort of your argument - if a drug dealer claims that they were assaulted, I should automatically believe them while purposefully ignoring their history and the history of the person that they've accused. If they were on trial for selling illicit drugs and had a criminal record of selling illicit drugs. Too bad for them, it's meaningful evidence, which has been documented. How do you attempt to correlate that to a woman getting raped? Quote
Smallc Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 If they were on trial for selling illicit drugs and had a criminal record of selling illicit drugs. Too bad for them, it's meaningful evidence, which has been documented. How do you attempt to correlate that to a woman getting raped? If someone has sex with multiple partners for money, and there is no completely convincing evidence, then what? These are all hypothetical situations. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 If someone has sex with multiple partners for money, and there is no completely convincing evidence, then what? These are all hypothetical situations. Having sex for money is a mutual agreement. Assault is not. Quote
Smallc Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 I think you're missing my point. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 I think you're missing my point. Yes I am. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 Where's your proof? Ah...proof of what? Quote
Smallc Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 This is all situational. History as a sex worker is important in some cases where proof cannot be obtained that leaves no doubt. Then it becomes about who has more credibility. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 This is all situational. History as a sex worker is important in some cases where proof cannot be obtained that leaves no doubt. Then it becomes about who has more credibility. And what proof does history as a sex worker provide in an assault case? Quote
Smallc Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 In the absence of other proof it becomes a battle of credibility. I'm not sure why that's so hard for you to understand. Again, innocent until proven guilty, though it's clear you'd like that change. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 In the absence of other proof it becomes a battle of credibility. I'm not sure why that's so hard for you to understand. Again, innocent until proven guilty, though it's clear you'd like that change. So in your world being a sex worker destroys credibility to the point where sexual assault can be dismissed. Quote
Smallc Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 You're not listening. Sexual assault has to be proven. In a case where it's thr word of a Sex worker against a non sex worker, absent compelling evidence, it's likely that the sex worker loses, as anyone involved in criminal activity would. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 You're not listening. Sexual assault has to be proven. In a case where it's thr word of a Sex worker against a non sex worker, absent compelling evidence, it's likely that the sex worker loses, as anyone involved in criminal activity would. Isn't assault criminal activity? But you are correct about one thing, the sex worker loses because of preconceived stereotypical notions. This is why the time is nigh to evolve. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 Last I looked, this was about MP's claiming sexual harassment, now it's about raping hookers! Seriously people! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
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