Smallc Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 But its unweclome even if people don't verbalize, that's the thing. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 I don't really what the so called "thing" is you're alluding to. Quote
Smallc Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 The problem with the accusation of sexual harassment. It's so wide as to make it meaningless. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 First of all, in the criminal code there is "sexual assault" and "criminal harassment" The former is much more clearly defined than the latter, I will grant that. But neither are meaningless. I'm sure if it happened to you your eyes would be wide open about what either meant. In any case, better an imperfect law than no law at all. Quote
jacee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 The problem with the accusation of sexual harassment. It's so wide as to make it meaningless. Not to the people experiencing it, and those trained to address it. Only to those who want to deny it. . Quote
jacee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) First of all, in the criminal code there is "sexual assault" and "criminal harassment" The former is much more clearly defined than the latter, I will grant that. But neither are meaningless. I'm sure if it happened to you your eyes would be wide open about what either meant. In any case, better an imperfect law than no law at all.Sexual harassment is a workplace and human rights matter, not a criminal matter.It is usually handled privately through defined processes. There are no such processes for parliament though, leading to the current confusion. . . Edited November 20, 2014 by jacee Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 There are no such processes for parliament though, leading to the current confusion. . . That is the biggest problem with this issue. The problem with the accusation of sexual harassment. It's so wide as to make it meaningless. Does this mean you want to do away with a charge of 'sexual harassment'? Have you checked in with victims of 'sexual harassment' to obtain their thoughts on whether it is meaningless or not? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Sexual harassment is a workplace and human rights matter, not a criminal matter. It is usually handled privately through defined processes. There are no such processes for parliament though, leading to the current confusion. . . Yes indeed and that's of course what is making this such an issue. I heard an interview after a committee process has now proposed a process going forward but it doesn't help the current confusion get "out of the ditch" . Apparently the Speaker has a proposal involving a third party but I haven't wuite got the details on that yet. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 But its unweclome even if people don't verbalize, that's the thing. I just don't get what you are saying here. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 People can't say anything sexual anymore without it being turned into the next thing to rape. Look at what happened to these MPs over accusations that we don't even have information on, and weren't serious enough for complaints. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 People can't say anything sexual anymore without it being turned into the next thing to rape. Look at what happened to these MPs over accusations that we don't even have information on, and weren't serious enough for complaints. My goodness. Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration. Now we are accusing these MP's of rape? Is that what you are saying? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 They've been barred from running again and were stripped of their positions for something that we don't even have the context of. Don't you see the issue with that? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 People can't say anything sexual anymore without it being turned into the next thing to rape. Look at what happened to these MPs over accusations that we don't even have information on, and weren't serious enough for complaints. Do you understand just how many assumptions you just made? Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 They've been barred from running again and were stripped of their positions for something that we don't even have the context of. Don't you see the issue with that? You are the one that brought up rape. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 You are the one that brought up rape. I was purposely exaggerating to make the point. Without knowing what these guys did (it doesn't seem like it was serious based on the chain of events) their leader threw them under a bus. The problem is this isn't an uncommon reaction. Quote
Smallc Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Do you understand just how many assumptions you just made? About as many as Justin. The difference is that he assumed them guilty. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 People can't say anything sexual anymore without it being turned into the next thing to rape. Look at what happened to these MPs over accusations that we don't even have information on, and weren't serious enough for complaints. Your last line is even beyond assumption. An NDP MP went to the leader of the Liberal party and complained. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) I was purposely exaggerating to make the point. Without knowing what these guys did (it doesn't seem like it was serious based on the chain of events) their leader threw them under a bus. The problem is this isn't an uncommon reaction. Your exaggeration doesn't help victims or the perpetrators. Your reaction is not an uncommon reaction. And how can you assume it was not serious? Edited November 20, 2014 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 There are many reasons to assume it wasn't serious, the reaction of thr NDP MPs for one. Quote
Smallc Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Your last line is even beyond assumption. An NDP MP went to the leader of the Liberal party and complained. And you think that them simply asking for a short word with the men is enough to warrant the serious consequence? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 And you think that them simply asking for a short word with the men is enough to warrant the serious consequence? I don't know what you mean by "a short word" and I don't know what you mean by "the men". One NDP MP went to JT with her complaint and another similar from a colleague. You can bitch about what JT did about what he heard, but this assumption I keep hearing that the complaints must have no merit seem to point yet another finger that the problem we are discussing does in fact exist. Quote
Smallc Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 I didn't say that the complaints had no merit. I said that given the apparent context, this whole thing was a severe over reaction, something not uncommon in a situation like this. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 I didn't say that the complaints had no merit. I said that given the apparent context, this whole thing was a severe over reaction, something not uncommon in a situation like this. What exactly is your version of the "apparent context"? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 What exactly is your version of the "apparent context"? Why ask questions in which the answer is obvious? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
jacee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 They've been barred from running again and were stripped of their positions for something that we don't even have the context of. Don't you see the issue with that? Yes of course. It certainly is motivating parliament to get a process in place. But I also think it's fair to assume that JT had a good talk with the offenders, and that it's their responses (denial & dismissal perhaps?) that got them booted from the party. . Quote
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