Shots Fired On Parliament Hill

xul · October 25, 2014

He was a Muslim Fanatic who was wearing a black and white Arab scarf during the deed. He wanted to make sure we all knew he was a Muslim and carrying out Jihad.

I knew he was a Muslim and had seen the photo. I just thought a junkie like him would have been killed by ISIS in the first place if RCMP gave him the passport and he had joined them. I doubt he knew the cause of Islamic extremism very much.

I think he was just such a loser who desperately wanted to cling on something big to make him looked bigger. And unfortunately he had a Muslim dad (I suppose) so he moved to cling on Islamic extremism.

Shady · October 25, 2014

Ya because you think that he couldn't be apprehended!

A person with already 12 bullets in him cowarding and hiding can't be apprehending?

Keep praising the man who shot a man after he was already shot with 12 bullets!

You also failed to paste the part where a security officer first tried to wrestle the gun away from him!

If there is a hero, it would be that guy!

Going to try debating with me or are you going to hide like Harper?

LOL!

Keep hiding buddy! Keep hiding

WWWTT

I don't think that your problem is with us. It seems to be with every member of parliament, the press, and all Canadians. You're about as fringe as it gets.

jbg · October 25, 2014

I don't think that your problem is with us. It seems to be with every member of parliament, the press, and all Canadians. You're about as fringe as it gets.

Exactly. This fringe has no interest in protection of the values of an orderly society. That means nothing to them.

poochies · October 25, 2014

I guess it was just a natural reaction for Harper to run and hide at the first sign of trouble hey?

Here's the link

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/canadian-pm-stephen-harper-ottawa-shooting?CMP=fb_gu

WWWTT

Seriously though, what pleasure do you get from badly distorting reality? No politician is elected with the expectation that they will subdue and armed man with their bare hands, he did exactly what he should have done.

poochies · October 25, 2014

Thanks buddy

https://www.google.ca/search?q=picture+of+captain+obvious&client=firefox-a&hs=bet&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=fflb&tbm=isch&imgil=-8tsRzpZtvEaJM%253A%253BoKdTwlD3DkGs0M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fpregame.com%25252Fpregame-forums%25252Ff%25252F11%25252Fp%25252F1068048%25252F2213824.aspx&source=iu&pf=m&fir=-8tsRzpZtvEaJM%253A%252CoKdTwlD3DkGs0M%252C_&usg=__N61eR2612-j7FZ_kyTxUZVOFzyk%3D&biw=1366&bih=657&ved=0CDgQyjc&ei=kBVLVKrdOMKsyQT8l4H4Aw

WWWTT

Hey, if you want to groove a fastball don't be surprised when someone hits it back up the middle.

cybercoma · October 25, 2014

You're the one making it ugly. He didn't shoot an already dead man. You're either lying or ignorant. Regardless, yes, shooting and killing an extremely violent mentally ill person absolutely qualifies him as being a hero. Especially since it prevented the extremely violent mentally ill man from killing any other people.

I rarely agree with Shady, but it's quite clear from the video that he fired that rifle first inside Parliament. Sorry, but you fire a gun at police, they have every right to shoot back at you. I'm the first one to advocate for better understanding of mental health issues and better interventions. I'm also the first one to criticize police for inappropriate use of deadly force. However, I certainly don't see that being the case here. He already shot and killed one person in uniform and fired his gun at others. It's very clear he had an intent to kill. Whether he had a mental illness or not, those officers had every right to defend themselves and our government from a violent intruder intent on killing.

Shady is absolutely right here. Although it was their job to defend Parliament, it takes a certain kind of person to put their life at risk to go after someone intent on killing. The vast majority of people would understandably run in the other direction.

cybercoma · October 25, 2014

How do you draw the line between mental health and evil, is there even a line? Does it matter?

Absolutely there's a line. This is a silly question. Just because someone is mentally ill doesn't mean that they're evil. In this case, he was intent on killing people and needed to be stopped. The end result is unfortunately the same whether he's mentally ill or not.

cybercoma · October 25, 2014

Ya I guess he wasn't already dead if he can take 12 bullets and keep on going like super man!

Let's completely forget that security already put 12 bullets in this poor mentally stressed guy that Canada failed!

But Harper needs a hero right now.

And forget doing the right thing, lets keep talking about bad people and how good people shoot bad people, lets all rise and give a thundering standing ovation to someone who we can easily turn into a Hollywood western gun slinging hero!

All hail a man with a gun who saved us from another man with a gun because he shot a guy who usually has a gun, but for some reason, didn't have his gun with him!

WWWTT

Maybe they should have asked the guy shooting at them to stop, so they could sit down and do a psychological assessment before they decided to defend themselves against the person intent on killing them.

Mental health issues are important, but how could you be so blind to the circumstances that you would even for a second criticize Parliament security? Unbelievable.

cybercoma · October 25, 2014

Really, you guys are something else, now the PM was 'hiding in a cupboard', talk about malfeasance and grossly distorting what happened - that he was put there by the RCMP for obvious safety reasons.

It's ridiculous isn't it? I can't stand Harper, but I find some of these comments to be quite classless.

ironstone · October 25, 2014

Yep, this thread is going to get ugly my friends!

That standing ovation parliament gave to a teary eyed Vickers, what a hero hey?

Here's your hero in action!

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/24/michael-zehaf-bibeau-kevin-vickers_n_6044642.html

Shooting an already dead man deserves a standing ovation!

Guess nobody wants to talk about how Vickers shot an already dead mentaly ill person qualifies as being a hero.

WWWTT

Perhaps the shooter did have mental health issues.I have read some of your comments in this forum....what are your issues?

Icebound · October 25, 2014

At the end of the day....

... what we have here is just another workplace shooting by a disgruntled and somewhat deranged customer.... he wanted a passport and they wouldn't give it to him, so he saw the "corporation" as having wronged him, and he lashed out at it.

Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of those directly affected, and we sympathize with everyone traumatized by these events, whether involved directly or not.

But Workplace shootings are not uncommon in Canada. In the US, more than 700 die in workplace shootings every year. Now, in Canada, our gutted Stats Can has not done any studies on workplace shooting for 10 years, but Macleans did a little survey here:

http://www.macleans.ca/new/canada/the-shootings-at-western-forest-in-nanaimo-point-to-a-bigger-problem

The Muslim connection may (or may not) have been a trigger point....along with drugs, mental instability and the host of factors that usually accompany such events.....

But there are elements of media, politics, and society at large, who are trying to stretch this way beyond what it really is.

"encouraging fear" could be a partial definition of terrorism, and some of our politicians, our media, and even some of this forum are doing just that.

WWWTT · October 25, 2014

I don't think that your problem is with us. It seems to be with every member of parliament, the press, and all Canadians. You're about as fringe as it gets.

That was a comment directed to Derek, let Derek speak for himself.

He can debate with me whenever he's finished hiding!

LOL!

WWWTT

WWWTT · October 25, 2014

Seriously though, what pleasure do you get from badly distorting reality? No politician is elected with the expectation that they will subdue and armed man with their bare hands, he did exactly what he should have done.

Just going by the facts as they are presented.

If YOU WANT you can think whatever YOU like!

WWWTT

WWWTT · October 25, 2014

I'm the first one to advocate for better understanding of mental health issues and better interventions.

BS BUDDY!!!

You were making status updates whenever you got ticked off with other posters here claiming that "they were off their meds"!

And you kept on doing it until I confronted you about it!

So what's the story now? Your a big defender and are born again?

Just don't make the BS claim again buddy that you were there from day one!

WWWTT

jacee · October 25, 2014

The Muslim connection may (or may not) have been a trigger point....along with drugs, mental instability and the host of factors that usually accompany such events.....

But there are elements of media, politics, and society at large, who are trying to stretch this way beyond what it really is.

"encouraging fear" could be a partial definition of terrorism, and some of our politicians, our media, and even some of this forum are doing just that.

Well said!

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Edited October 25, 2014 by jacee

WWWTT · October 25, 2014

Maybe they should have asked the guy shooting at them to stop, so they could sit down and do a psychological assessment before they decided to defend themselves against the person intent on killing them.

Mental health issues are important, but how could you be so blind to the circumstances that you would even for a second criticize Parliament security? Unbelievable.

No maybe they shouldn't GLORIFY killing a mentally distressed person!

When a mentally needy person goes on a shooting rampage, that's it game over buddy. The safety of others comes first at that point and whatever it takes to achieve this is necessary.

Everyone on parliament seems to be tripping over each other to cash in on this tragic event, keep encouraging them!

WWWTT

WWWTT · October 25, 2014

Perhaps the shooter did have mental health issues.I have read some of your comments in this forum....what are your issues?

Made it perfectly clear that it is wrong to glorify a tragedy. Wrong to glorify killing.

WWWTT

WWWTT · October 25, 2014

WWWTT, I don't much think of Harper as the PM but come on, ANY PM or leader would be protected by any means. I first thought that the MP's or security guards would surround him and protect him at way. BTW, IF it wasn't for the Security Guard at the door, which the shooter came in, people wouldn't have known he was there. Apparently, the guard tried to take away the gun but the gun went off and shot him in the foot, so Canada has two heroes that saved the day.

Ya that guard who did the brave act of trying to disarm the shooter should be getting the standing ovation.

What's his name by the way? Where are the articles and pictures of him? Where's the news clips about him being visited by the PM and opposition leaders?

Just a few words written of him that was so easily glanced over by every other person on this site!

But lets glorify the guy that killed the shooter!

WWWTT

WWWTT · October 25, 2014

Really, you guys are something else, now the PM was 'hiding in a cupboard', talk about malfeasance and grossly distorting what happened - that he was put there by the RCMP for obvious safety reasons.

And I hope a reenactment is done as an Harper attack add come election time!

LOL!

WWWTT

WWWTT · October 25, 2014

At the end of the day....

... what we have here is just another workplace shooting by a disgruntled and somewhat deranged customer.... he wanted a passport and they wouldn't give it to him, so he saw the "corporation" as having wronged him, and he lashed out at it.

No it's not. This is false!

What we have here is an obvious sign that our system failed.

People get sick, it's not a crime or a "derangement" as you so colorfully call it!

WWWTT

cybercoma · October 25, 2014

BS BUDDY!!!

You were making status updates whenever you got ticked off with other posters here claiming that "they were off their meds"!

And you kept on doing it until I confronted you about it!

So what's the story now? Your a big defender and are born again?

Just don't make the BS claim again buddy that you were there from day one!

WWWTT

Has nothing to do with the topic, BUDDY. I've been advocating for Rob Ford to get help for a long time. I defended the psychological assessments of Vincent Li. More importantly, when I notice a poster is off their meds, it worries me because I feel like he/she is not getting the help they need.

So did you want to address the actual issue here? A killer was in the halls of parliament with a rifle, intent on killing again. Mental health issues or not, will you not defend security's right to use deadly force in that situation?

cybercoma · October 25, 2014

When a mentally needy person goes on a shooting rampage, that's it game over buddy. The safety of others comes first at that point and whatever it takes to achieve this is necessary.

WWWTT

Full stop. Nobody is glorifying anything, BUDDY.

jacee · October 25, 2014

No maybe they shouldn't GLORIFY killing a mentally distressed person!

When a mentally needy person goes on a shooting rampage, that's it game over buddy. The safety of others comes first at that point and whatever it takes to achieve this is necessary.

Everyone on parliament seems to be tripping over each other to cash in on this tragic event, keep encouraging them!

WWWTT

I agree with this too. Making a mentally unstable addict the 'poster boy' for international Islamic extremist terrorists seems a bit over the top.

Not to minimize though ... he came very close to shooting the PM, which would have been a whole other level of concern.

I do hope that saner heads will prevail in coming days and tone down the extremist rhetoric. Harper was no doubt traumatised and still somewhat in shock ... but I hope he'll realize that exaggerating the link to ISIS serves no one well. If he continues to play it up as a means of supporting his military involvement vs ISIS ... then he'll be revealing himself as a poor leader of people, a political opportunist of the lowest variety, imo.

I do think an unarmed security guard as the first 'defence' of parliament needs rethinking, and unlocked caucus rooms outside the HoC security (also unarmed?).

Parliament should be open and accessible to Canadians, but also prepared for violent/crazy incursions.

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