cybercoma Posted October 30, 2014 Report Posted October 30, 2014 You guys know ebola is not contagious until someone is symptomatic and even then you have to come into contact with bodily fluids, right? The way you people are speaking its as if you think the stuff is airborne. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 30, 2014 Report Posted October 30, 2014 No, it's not illegal at all. A 21 day quarantine is a good idea, because the incubation period is the same. Obama's shown no leadership. They're making up policy as they go along. It's why members of the military are required to be in a quarantine and they're not even treating patients. It's illegal until a judge says it's not illegal. Obama is showing leadership by consulting with the proper authorities instead of pushing panic buttons. And as you should know, the military is a bit different than civilian population. They have signed on and agreed to take orders. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Posted October 30, 2014 R-E-L-A-X...... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted October 30, 2014 Report Posted October 30, 2014 It's illegal until a judge says it's not illegal. Obama is showing leadership by consulting with the proper authorities instead of pushing panic buttons. And as you should know, the military is a bit different than civilian population. They have signed on and agreed to take orders. How is the military different than the civilian population in terms of the incubation period and the spreading of Ebola? That's what the quarantine is based on. Quote
Shady Posted October 30, 2014 Report Posted October 30, 2014 Embrace the science!! Nobel Prize-winning doctor backs Christie’s quarantine plan Dr. [bruce] Beutler, an American medical doctor and researcher, won the Nobel Prize for Medicine and Physiology in 2011 for his work researching the cellular subsystem of the body’s overall immune system — the part of it that defends the body from infection by other organisms, like Ebola. He is currently the Director of the Center for the Genetics of Host Defense at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas — the first U.S. city to treat an Ebola patient and also the first to watch one die from the virus. In an exclusive interview with NJ Advance Media, Beutler reviewed Christie’s new policy of mandatory quarantine for all health care workers exposed to Ebola, and declared: “I favor it.” http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/10/christies_quarantine_policy_attacked_by_aclu_cdc_and_even_the_un_is_embraced_by_2011_nobel_prize_win.html#incart_river It's also New York's plan, California's plan, and a dozen other states. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 30, 2014 Report Posted October 30, 2014 How is the military different than the civilian population in terms of the incubation period and the spreading of Ebola? That's what the quarantine is based on. They have tests for ebola. This nurse tested negative twice. She was not and is not symptomatic If the military wants to simply lock their people up for 3 weeks they can do that. Private citizens have other rights.I would imagine in her profession she would have the good sense to act appropriately if she became symptomatic. Quote
Bonam Posted October 30, 2014 Author Report Posted October 30, 2014 Embrace the science!! Indeed. The science in this case is very clear. The people that are trying to pretend the science does not suggest quarantine can mitigate the spread of infectious disease are spreading complete BS in the name of political correctness. Quote
Bonam Posted October 30, 2014 Author Report Posted October 30, 2014 They have tests for ebola. This nurse tested negative twice. She was not and is not symptomatic If the military wants to simply lock their people up for 3 weeks they can do that. Private citizens have other rights.I would imagine in her profession she would have the good sense to act appropriately if she became symptomatic. Yes... what you might imagine. The facts clearly indicate otherwise, with many healthcare workers not exhibiting good sense. Quote
guyser Posted October 30, 2014 Report Posted October 30, 2014 How is the military different than the civilian population in terms of the incubation period and the spreading of Ebola? That's what the quarantine is based on.Night and day different. Rights? Aint got them in the military (for the most part) Liability issues? Paid quarantine vs unpaid quarantine? Quote
Big Guy Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 Perception is reality. A while ago, this thing called Ebola was found in a number of people in Africa. The WHO said don't worry about it. We didn't and ignored it. Lots of people from Africa got infected and we sent money and people down there to help - the idea was to make sure it didn't come here. We were told, don't worry about it because our folks say that they will take all necessary precautions. We didn't and our folks got sick. Health Care workers from the West came back to America and we were told that they would be isolated and there was no chance of infection. We didn't and people dealing with these health care workers got sick. Now some folks are saying that everything is under control and don't worry about it. Some legislators are forcing a quarantine and are saying that they are worrying about it because these health folks have been wrong too often. We had a TB scare many, many years ago. We separated those with TB from those who were sick and .... it worked. If somebody comes back from working with those who have been infected with Ebola and they are quarantined (be they infected or not) then we are guaranteed that it will stop the spread. I say make a mandatory quarantine of 21 days for those people who have associated with the infected, pay them for the three week holiday and get on with stopping the spread of this disease. It is your choice to go help in an infected area and your reward includes a three week holiday when you get back. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 Perception is reality. A while ago, this thing called Ebola was found in a number of people in Africa. The WHO said don't worry about it. We didn't and ignored it. Lots of people from Africa got infected and we sent money and people down there to help - the idea was to make sure it didn't come here. We were told, don't worry about it because our folks say that they will take all necessary precautions. We didn't and our folks got sick. Health Care workers from the West came back to America and we were told that they would be isolated and there was no chance of infection. We didn't and people dealing with these health care workers got sick. Now some folks are saying that everything is under control and don't worry about it. Some legislators are forcing a quarantine and are saying that they are worrying about it because these health folks have been wrong too often. We had a TB scare many, many years ago. We separated those with TB from those who were sick and .... it worked. If somebody comes back from working with those who have been infected with Ebola and they are quarantined (be they infected or not) then we are guaranteed that it will stop the spread. I say make a mandatory quarantine of 21 days for those people who have associated with the infected, pay them for the three week holiday and get on with stopping the spread of this disease. It is your choice to go help in an infected area and your reward includes a three week holiday when you get back. Maybe it sounds good on paper to you, but a lot of folks don't consider forced isolation a holiday, especially without a valid reason. Quote
Big Guy Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 If the three weeks holiday comes with the job then there should be no problems. As to a valid reason, I suggest guaranteeing that these folks will not spread the disease and to ease the concerns of those who do not trust people self-quarantining is a valid reason. You may be comfortable with your next door neighbor taking a bike ride through the neighborhood after she was trusted to quarantine herself but I am not. Any time somebody tells me "don't worry about it" then that usually indicates to me that I should start. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 The U.S. is not forcing anybody to take a "21 day holiday" without due process. That's how the law works "south of the border". Maybe that's how things are done in Canada...keep it there. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 You wouldn't dare try that in Canada. Apparently republican governors are wont to do such things south of the border. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 "Peace, Order, and Mandatory Quarantines Without Due Process" ......lock 'em up ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 Christie shows yet again what a bumbling buffoon he is at a press conference today. and the US is thinking about electing him president? Quote
Argus Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 No, it's not illegal at all. A 21 day quarantine is a good idea, I wonder how many people who think it's a 'good idea' would be willing to quarantine themselves for the same period of time for no reason whatsoever. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 Silly statement. Quarantine is not imprisonment. What's the difference? Do they have nicer tents when you're quarantined? At least prisoners get TVs. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 How is the military different than the civilian population in terms of the incubation period and the spreading of Ebola? That's what the quarantine is based on. You give up a number of civil rights when you join the military, for one thing. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 Embrace the science!! He's from Texas. Find me a responsible physician from a first world country to back him. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 Yes... what you might imagine. The facts clearly indicate otherwise, with many healthcare workers not exhibiting good sense. You have no evidence to support either of those statements. You're simply a silly, frightened man. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 Maybe it sounds good on paper to you, but a lot of folks don't consider forced isolation a holiday, especially without a valid reason. Not only is it a dumb idea but it's already having a chilling effect on groups trying to get medical personnel to go over there. I've said before that fighting diseases like this is like fighting a war. You either do it over there or you do it here. If it isn't controlled in Africa there will be millions of cases instead of thousands, and then they'll be popping up all over the western world. Implimenting these quarantines might be a good thing for spineless political hacks trying to appeal to the votes of the ignorant and easily scared set, but it's not good for the overall control of the disease. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 The U.S. is not forcing anybody to take a "21 day holiday" without due process. That's how the law works "south of the border". Maybe that's how things are done in Canada...keep it there. Seems to me Canada has not acted like the timid sheep south of the border. None of our provinces have called for quarantines. The Europeans haven't gone that way either. Only the ignorant herd south of the border is bawling in terror that someone with ebola might have visited their bowling alley weeks ago and demanding everyone be imprisoned. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 You have no evidence to support either of those statements. You're simply a silly, frightened man. Insult. The thread is going fine, don't ruin it. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 Seems to me Canada has not acted like the timid sheep south of the border. Canada has acted like it always does....lots of media references to the U.S. CDC., south of the border. In North America, Ebola has not become the SARS fiasco we saw in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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