jbg Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) A few weeks ago, a poster here posted in another thread” “Be patient. When/If Ebola ever starts to become a danger to the West we will find a cure. When "civilized" white guys and gals are in danger we seem to find the money to throw into finding a cure.” http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/23831-ebola-patients-coming-to-north-america/page-4 Looks like he guessed right. I don't see the issue. The Western countries dedicate a certain amount of their budget to foreign aid. Some of that is bilateral and some through world agencies, most affiliated with the U.N. If these countries choose to use the money they receive in aid to fatten their "leaders'" bank accounts that money won't be available to fight local diseases, including then-local Ebola. If a disease, say Ebola, makes its way to the West, the Western countries have the right to use their resources to combat those diseases. And yes, it is predictable that a Western democracy would throw much in the way of resources into combating an incipient major health hazard. Its too bad that countries other than the "'civilized' white guys" find other uses for the money they obtain by taxes and /or foreign aid. Edited October 19, 2014 by jbg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 The World Health Organization has now announced that the total number of infected people has reached 10,000. At the same time, it's acknowledged that many more than that could be infected as some in Africa may not be coming forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) As predicted, the legal challenges and federal pressure mounts on mandatory quarantines imposed by some states: At the same time, the first person to be forced into isolation under the new protocols, Kaci Hickox, a nurse returning from Sierra Leone, planned to mount a legal challenge to the quarantine order. Despite having no symptoms, she has been kept under quarantine at a hospital in New Jersey, where she has been confined to a tent equipped with a portable toilet and no shower. On Sunday, she spoke to CNN about the way she has been treated, describing it as “inhumane.” The rapidly escalating events played out both privately, in intense negotiations and phone calls between federal and state officials, as well as publicly in Ms. Hickox’s pointed criticism of the New Jersey governor. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/nyregion/ebola-quarantine.html?_r=0 Edited October 26, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 I guess if you want incompetence you need look no further than Chris Christie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Just what we needed....a sexy ebola Halloween costume ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Just what we needed....a sexy ebola Halloween costume ? Let me take a wild guess: this is some twisted feeble attempt at humor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I guess if you want incompetence you need look no further than Chris Christie. What incompetence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 What incompetence? You may have heard of the nurse he had quarantined? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 You may have heard of the nurse he had quarantined? Yes, and? She went back to her home state of Maine, and is also now under mandatory quarantine. What's the issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Yes, and? She went back to her home state of Maine, and is also now under mandatory quarantine. What's the issue? The issue is she doesn't have Ebola. The "mandatory" quarantine in Maine won't stick without a court order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted October 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 The issue being referred to is that the conditions in the quarantine were not considered humane. That is true... but the fault lies not with the people who had to rig up ad-hoc quarantine facilities with no support from health authorities or the federal government, but with the CDC and the administration for not already having set up proper up-to-spec quarantine where people could be comfortable and properly cared for while waiting. I 100% support quarantine for people returning from affected countries, but do agree that it should be handled better and more professionally. And the fault for not doing so lies squarely with Obama, his "Ebola czar", and the CDC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 The issue is she doesn't have Ebola. The "mandatory" quarantine in Maine won't stick without a court order. You don't know what you're talking about. The incubation period of Ebola is 21 days. As for courts, there's plenty of precedent in regards to quarantines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Doesn't matter....you can't legally quarantine U.S. citizens without due process, even if it was a five star hotel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 You don't know what you're talking about. The incubation period of Ebola is 21 days. As for courts, there's plenty of precedent in regards to quarantines. Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about. She tested negative for Ebola in NJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about. She tested negative for Ebola in NJ. She tested negative in a preliminary blood test, which I'm sure you know is uncertain, and that her blood needs to be tested several times over a period of time for any certainty. Hence, the 21 day quarantine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 She tested negative in a preliminary blood test, which I'm sure you know is uncertain, and that her blood needs to be tested several times over a period of time for any certainty. Hence, the 21 day quarantine. Keep in mind she is a nurse just returned from treating Ebola patients in W. Africa. She probably knows a bit about the virus including the general knowledge that if you are not symptomatic you are not infectious. Can you inform us of what Christie's medical background is? The other problem this creates is that if you are going to treat health care workers like that after trying to help the situation, they are probably gonna say, hey Christie, if you can find a seat on an airplane big enough to sit your fat ass, you go to west Africa, I'm staying home. Then there is a real problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted October 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Keep in mind she is a nurse just returned from treating Ebola patients in W. Africa. She probably knows a bit about the virus Yeah... no. I assume nothing about nurses being knowledgeable. We have clearly seen a number of them make poor decisions. Such as traveling on an aircraft while infected with Ebola and symptomatic. Same with that doctor who came back from West Africa... he should have known even better, being a doctor, but he didn't, and rode on the subway while symptomatic. As for medical workers not going to West Africa... honestly, medical workers should be the first ones to realize the value of quarantine in containing the spread of infectious disease. While the methods employed in quarantine could use improvement, the quarantine itself unquestionably reduces risk. Furthermore, if a medical worker is not deterred from going to West Africa by the very real risk of contracting Ebola and dying a horrible painful death, do you think a little quarantine would stop them? If it does, then they don't have their heads screwed on straight and probably would do more harm than good, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Yeah... no. I assume nothing about nurses being knowledgeable.While I personally favor the quarantine, I have learned more about the medical system in the last three years than I have ever wanted to know. Trust me, many nurses are as or more knowledgeable than doctors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Yes, and? She went back to her home state of Maine, and is also now under mandatory quarantine. What's the issue? That a quarantine is illegal and unnecessary, goes against medical advice, and is basically just playing to the ignorant and frightened. I'm not a fan of Obama, but he's acting like a leader, publicly meeting with these people and trying to calm fears. Christie, on the other hand, instead of acting like a leader, is taking advantage of fear and ignorance for political reasons. Edited October 30, 2014 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I 100% support quarantine for people returning from affected countries, but do agree that it should be handled better and more professionally. And the fault for not doing so lies squarely with Obama, his "Ebola czar", and the CDC. The doctors say it's not necessary. Where is your medical information coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 You don't know what you're talking about. The incubation period of Ebola is 21 days. As for courts, there's plenty of precedent in regards to quarantines. Really? When doctors are advising against it? When the CDC, the World Health Organization, and every other major medical organization has said it's totally unnecessary? Good luck with that in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Yeah... no. I assume nothing about nurses being knowledgeable. We have clearly seen a number of them make poor decisions. Such as traveling on an aircraft while infected with Ebola and symptomatic. And again, she knew she had a mild fever, contacted the CDC, and was approved for the flight. She was not contageous. Same with that doctor who came back from West Africa... he should have known even better, being a doctor, but he didn't, and rode on the subway while symptomatic. The doctor in question knew he wasn't contageous, and as soon as he started to feel symptomatic he contacted the authorities. You cannot imprison someone because you're afraid they MIGHT become sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 That a quarantine is illegal and unnecessary, goes against medical advice, and is basically just playing to the ignorant and frightened. I'm not a fan of Obama, but he's acting like a leader, publicly meeting with these people and trying to calm fears. Christie, on the other hand, instead of acting like a leader, is taking advantage of fear and ignorance for political reasons. No, it's not illegal at all. A 21 day quarantine is a good idea, because the incubation period is the same. Obama's shown no leadership. They're making up policy as they go along. It's why members of the military are required to be in a quarantine and they're not even treating patients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted October 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 You cannot imprison someone because you're afraid they MIGHT become sick. Silly statement. Quarantine is not imprisonment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Silly statement. Quarantine is not imprisonment. No it's not, but it still infringes on civil rights, which is why due process is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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