Big Guy Posted October 9, 2014 Author Report Posted October 9, 2014 A couple of days ago, NBC News reports that authorities recently uncovered an ISIS-inspired plot to carry out a "knife and gun" attack at a "public place" in Canada. Anonymous intelligence officials told the American news network "that some of the discussions raise the possibility of attacks on U.S. citizens and other U.S. and Western targets in Canada." Harper government refuses to give details and Minister Blaney's office responds with; “While I cannot comment on operational matters of national security, I can say that security agencies are constantly evaluating the terrorist threat and taking action to protect Canadians,". Opposition party members ask why we need an American network to disclose to Canadians what is happening in Canada. Opposition attacks, Conservatives tap dance, duck and weave people watching begin to wonder what is going on. To-day, NBC retracts their new story and claims that this was said to have happened in 2005 and cannot verify the facts. It does state that there are still “threats” but not “imminent”. We are getting very different messages from the RCMP and CSIS and our Ministers. These guys are starting to look like the Keystone Kops. Hey folks, get your act together. Canada is at war. You got us into this war and it is your responsibility to protect and inform the homeland if/when there is a danger. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted October 9, 2014 Author Report Posted October 9, 2014 You're dishonest too, if you continue with this charade of a mild warning from a CSIS official- a warning also made in many other Western Countries- with somebody like McCarthy.... McCarthy did not warn, he acted to destroy hundreds of people in a shameful actual suspension of civil liberties. I sincerely hope you keep yapping on about your absurd analogy, the hole just gets deeper. Tell me, when are the show trials headed by Mr Coulombe beginning and where is the venue for same? Thank you for your reply. It is an interesting point of view but I find your comments rude. I do not reply to rude remarks lest I repeat that distasteful language and attitude while replying. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Topaz Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 So the threats are real but nothing to worry about at this time. I would think if the terrorists would do anything it would go after certain government personnel , who are sent military over to fight against them and probably made attack in the largest cities in Canada. My question to the government is why let these 80 people back in the country IF YOU knew that they had been over in the ME associating with terrorists???? Quote
Big Guy Posted October 10, 2014 Author Report Posted October 10, 2014 So the threats are real but nothing to worry about at this time. I would think if the terrorists would do anything it would go after certain government personnel , who are sent military over to fight against them and probably made attack in the largest cities in Canada. My question to the government is why let these 80 people back in the country IF YOU knew that they had been over in the ME associating with terrorists???? All the news shows this evening were asking the same thing. If we know that there are 80 people in Canada, who we know have broken the law, then why are they not in jail? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
WWWTT Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 Thank you for your reply. It is an interesting point of view but I find your comments rude. I do not reply to rude remarks lest I repeat that distasteful language and attitude while replying. Ya it seems that the moderation here at this site isn't doing anything about these type of comments anymore. And if you report, Charles Anthony may even suggest it was your fault in the first place to get this kind of response! Other than that, I agree with your view here. Good thread topic! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Keepitsimple Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 All the news shows this evening were asking the same thing. If we know that there are 80 people in Canada, who we know have broken the law, then why are they not in jail? Because the vast majority apparently were not fighting - but they were fundraising, providing weapons and material support, etc. It may take time to gather enough evidence that can be used in court to convict them. Innocent until proven guilty. Knowing and proving two different things. Quote Back to Basics
Big Guy Posted October 10, 2014 Author Report Posted October 10, 2014 Because the vast majority apparently were not fighting - but they were fundraising, providing weapons and material support, etc. It may take time to gather enough evidence that can be used in court to convict them. Innocent until proven guilty. Knowing and proving two different things. So we have to assume that there are many prosecutions coming. I hope that you are correct and this is just not another attempt to create an artificial fear to gain support for the deployment to the war zone. I still do not trust these government people who have lied to us in the past. I also hope that they are careful rather than rushing to create terrorists. For example, if you or your elderly parents gave a couple of dollars to the International Relief Fund for the Afflicted and Needy or sent some money for relief of those people in Gaza who have lost their homes and members of their families then you are probably one of those 80 people. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Smallc Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 question to the government is why let these 80 people back in the country IF YOU knew that they had been over in the ME associating with terrorists???? Being as I've seen most of your posts, I know you'd be the first one to criticize the government if they tried to stop them. Quote
eyeball Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 What steps do you think we should take, then, to prevent the galvanizing events? I ask out of genuine curiosity. Keep doing whatever it is that's been preventing them to date, but mostly we should stop sticking our dingus in the hornet's nests. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WWWTT Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 Because the vast majority apparently were not fighting - but they were fundraising, providing weapons and material support, etc. It may take time to gather enough evidence that can be used in court to convict them. Innocent until proven guilty. Knowing and proving two different things. Than it should not even be discussed in public! But the conservatives need to win public support in Canada so they throw out little bits here and there to try and win support for bending the rules. Old game really. Much older than the useless western fight against the big bad Commies! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Argus Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 I said it will be used as an excuse to give up your rights and freedoms. You said we would lose our rights and freedoms like the Americans. What rights and freedoms have they given up? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Keepitsimple Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 Than it should not even be discussed in public! But the conservatives need to win public support in Canada so they throw out little bits here and there to try and win support for bending the rules. Old game really. Much older than the useless western fight against the big bad Commies! WWWTT They are answering questions from the media and giving just a general answer. If they didn't answer in some fashion, they'd be accused of secrecy - or of being asleep at the switch. As your post implies - it's a no-win situation. There is a sizable segment of the population that would never be satisfied with anything this government says. That's just politics I guess. Quote Back to Basics
WWWTT Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 They are answering questions from the media and giving just a general answer. If they didn't answer in some fashion, they'd be accused of secrecy - or of being asleep at the switch. As your post implies - it's a no-win situation. There is a sizable segment of the population that would never be satisfied with anything this government says. That's just politics I guess. That's funny.I guess they thought it was question period and they were sitting in the house of commons Ironic, because that's where the government should answer questions. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
On Guard for Thee Posted October 11, 2014 Report Posted October 11, 2014 That's funny.I guess they thought it was question period and they were sitting in the house of commons Ironic, because that's where the government should answer questions. WWWTT If you think questions are meant to be answered in question period you are sadly mistaken. It's just a chance for the public to tune in for awhile. Nothing that nayone says in the house can be held against them in anything more than a PR way. No legal recourse. Quote
overthere Posted October 11, 2014 Report Posted October 11, 2014 Keep doing whatever it is that's been preventing them to date, but mostly we should stop sticking our dingus in the hornet's nests. That suggests that passivity towards radical Islam guarantees we'd be left alone. That is not at all how fundamentalist Islam works. There are only two groups in that world view. You're either devout a devout Muslim, or you are not. If you're not, then you convert or die. It's a black and white world. There is no place for tolerance, respect or differing opinions. Fortunately, not many Muslims adhere to this worldview. Unfortunately enough do believe it to threaten all that do not. Unfortunately. 'all that do not' includes many moderate Muslims. Unfortunately, too much of the Muslim world is unwilling to purge the rot within their culture. So it doesn't matter if your dingus is in the nest, what matters is that yoru dingus is not attached to a fundamentalist body. Tell me, did non-involvement help the aid workers and journalists from getting their heads sawn off? Did it help the many women and children in IRaq and Syria from getting gangraped and murdered? Where would you place their dinguses, other than rotting in shallow graves for no reason other than existing?? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
eyeball Posted October 11, 2014 Report Posted October 11, 2014 Tell me, did non-involvement help the aid workers and journalists from getting their heads sawn off?Would they be dead if they'd not involved themselves in the region? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
overthere Posted October 12, 2014 Report Posted October 12, 2014 Would they be dead if they'd not involved themselves in the region? Certainly possible. Involving yourself in this context means not being a follower of hardcore Islam. Were the people who died in the World Trade Center or other subsequent acts of terror involved in the region? Do the vast majority people who live in the region who only wish to live their lives in peace deserve to die in your world? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
GostHacked Posted October 12, 2014 Report Posted October 12, 2014 You said we would lose our rights and freedoms like the Americans. What rights and freedoms have they given up? PATRIOT Act and the NDAA. Start there. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 13, 2014 Report Posted October 13, 2014 PATRIOT Act and the NDAA. Start there. You're telling the person who asked the question to look it up themselves. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted October 13, 2014 Report Posted October 13, 2014 Certainly possible. Involving yourself in this context means not being a follower of hardcore Islam. Involving yourself means to knowingly put yourself in harm's way. Were the people who died in the World Trade Center or other subsequent acts of terror involved in the region? There must have been a few who were involved in the interference going on overseas. Much like there are sometimes a few bad apples who die in our attacks. Do the vast majority people who live in the region who only wish to live their lives in peace deserve to die in your world? No - that's a pretty weird thing to suggest. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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