cybercoma Posted October 13, 2014 Report Posted October 13, 2014 and an NDP government with no chance of ever forming government can pretty much say and promise anything (on any interpretive or double-speak level)... without regard to ever being held to account. So accountability means not saying much of anything at all. Not having any positions that matters and basically bilking people into voting for you without any principles whatsoever. That's accountability to you? Parties should take a stand. Publicly lay out what they intend to do. And let the voters choose. Not engage in this nonsensical nothing speak in order to get votes, then turn around and do whatever the hell they want, which in Chrétien's case was fill his pockets and his friends' pockets with money. Quote
waldo Posted October 13, 2014 Report Posted October 13, 2014 nobody is held to account for shooting off their faces, as long as it is criticism . the reference point was 'promises'... being held to account, in government, for promises made prior to forming government. Quote
waldo Posted October 13, 2014 Report Posted October 13, 2014 So accountability means not saying much of anything at all. Not having any positions that matters and basically bilking people into voting for you without any principles whatsoever. That's accountability to you? Parties should take a stand. Publicly lay out what they intend to do. And let the voters choose. Not engage in this nonsensical nothing speak in order to get votes, then turn around and do whatever the hell they want, which in Chrétien's case was fill his pockets and his friends' pockets with money. huh! Governing promises made to an electorate can only be measured... in government. Positions and principles that factor into those governing promises can only be measured... can only be held to account, in practice. Quote
overthere Posted October 13, 2014 Author Report Posted October 13, 2014 Yep, Chretien got away with a few swindles, personal and party. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
waldo Posted October 13, 2014 Report Posted October 13, 2014 Yep, Chretien got away with a few swindles, personal and party. selective, hey?... and Mulroney... and Harper? Quote
overthere Posted October 13, 2014 Author Report Posted October 13, 2014 the reference point was 'promises'... being held to account, in government, for promises made prior to forming governmen The Liberals got three majorities in the 90s while bypassing many election promises that turned out to be outright lies. Some biggies too: GST, free trade. 'balanced budgets'. I'll admit they never promised to give away $200 million of our money to Liberal friendly ad agencies and themselves. How would you measure those broken promises? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
overthere Posted October 13, 2014 Author Report Posted October 13, 2014 selective, hey?... and Mulroney... and Harper? selective Chretien? Martin has less time, give him a break buddy. where did Harper line his pockets? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
waldo Posted October 13, 2014 Report Posted October 13, 2014 bloody hell! There are websites dedicated to listing broken Harper Conservative promises... surely you're not challenging on that level, are you? Quote
overthere Posted October 13, 2014 Author Report Posted October 13, 2014 bloody hell! There are websites dedicated to listing broken Harper Conservative promises... surely you're not challenging on that level, are you? shifting the goalposts are we Wally? cybercoma noted that " in Chrétien's case was fill his pockets and his friends' pockets with money." I noticed you never addressed that one. Name the circumstances where Harper stole your money. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
waldo Posted October 13, 2014 Report Posted October 13, 2014 shifting the goalposts are we Wally? cybercoma noted that " in Chrétien's case was fill his pockets and his friends' pockets with money." I noticed you never addressed that one. Name the circumstances where Harper stole your money. so your most selectively worded avoidance of Harper Conservative broken election promises is to now speak of "personal gain, personal pocket filling"? I'd say one needs a relative benchmark reference to compare against... waiting... Quote
Keepitsimple Posted October 14, 2014 Report Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) .....back to the topic.....heavens - even The Star is jumping in: Trudeau’s gaffes threaten his lead: GwynThe Commons debate on military action against ISIS may have turned the tide on Trudeau's popularity................................................................... Link: http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/10/13/trudeaus_gaffes_threaten_his_lead_gwyn.html Edited October 14, 2014 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
PIK Posted October 14, 2014 Report Posted October 14, 2014 bloody hell! There are websites dedicated to listing broken Harper Conservative promises... surely you're not challenging on that level, are you? He has also came thru on a lot. So answer the question, where has harper been lining his pockets?? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
overthere Posted October 15, 2014 Author Report Posted October 15, 2014 He has also came thru on a lot. So answer the question, where has harper been lining his pockets?? Wally has retreated to his Chretien Shrine in the basement for inspiration. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
waldo Posted October 15, 2014 Report Posted October 15, 2014 overwhere??? Guys, guys... just waiting on you! so your most selectively worded avoidance of Harper Conservative broken election promises is to now speak of (Chretien's) "personal gain, personal pocket filling"? I'd say one needs a relative benchmark reference to compare against... waiting... Quote
Keepitsimple Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) Wally has retreated to his Chretien Shrine in the basement for inspiration. Give him a little time - he'll be back with his circular nonsense....says nothing, goes nowhere. Anything to deflect, obfuscate and annoy.....anything to take the laser light off the thrashing that his boy Trudeau is taking - which of course is the topic of this thread. Edited October 16, 2014 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
waldo Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 Simple, I sincerely apologize! I didn't realize what my repeated and ongoing showcasing of your failed fake-skeptic/denier AGW/CC related statements, claims and positions... had brought you to. Let's make a pact to move beyond this and try to get you in a better place! I'll have nothing to showcase of your AGW/CC related failings... if you just stop laying them down. Are we good to go? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 I heard a clip of Tom Mulcaire on CFRB 1010 radio being interviewed by John Moore. It was Mulcaire mentioning that the Liberals had asked for an emergency debate on ISIS that was granted by the Speaker - a somewhat rare occurrence. Mulcaire said he asked all the questions, supported his position but he was amazed that when he looked over "Justin Trudeau didn't even bother to show up for work". I think we'll be hearing that comment more often........ Quote Back to Basics
Keepitsimple Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 Simple, I sincerely apologize! I didn't realize what my repeated and ongoing showcasing of your failed fake-skeptic/denier AGW/CC related statements, claims and positions... had brought you to. Let's make a pact to move beyond this and try to get you in a better place! I'll have nothing to showcase of your AGW/CC related failings... if you just stop laying them down. Are we good to go? Waldo, I accept your gracious apology - I didn't think you had it in you. As for that other stuff....I'll just keep laying down the real-world observations....and you can keep doing "your thing". Which reminds me - totally off topic - one of my favourite songs was done by The Wonders called "That thing you do". Now I'm going to chuckle/chortle every time I hear it. So yes, we're good to go. Quote Back to Basics
jbg Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 Waldo, I accept your gracious apology - I didn't think you had it in you. As for that other stuff....I'll just keep laying down the real-world observations....and you can keep doing "your thing". The current term for that is "alternative reality." Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 The current term for that is "alternative reality." good on ya for labeling Simple's claimed "real-world observations" what they are... his "alternative reality"! Quote
jbg Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 good on ya for labeling Simple's claimed "real-world observations" what they are... his "alternative reality"! I think your reading abilities are better than that. He was talking about another poster and I was agreeing that he was "laying down the real-world observations....and you (meaning the other poster) can keep doing 'your thing.'". Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 I think your reading abilities are better than that. He was talking about another poster and I was agreeing that he was "laying down the real-world observations....and you (meaning the other poster) can keep doing 'your thing.'". the day you actually step-up and support/substantiate your denier statements/claims/positions... that will be the day you have standing to comment on anything related to AGW/CC Quote
cybercoma Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 I heard a clip of Tom Mulcaire on CFRB 1010 radio being interviewed by John Moore. It was Mulcaire mentioning that the Liberals had asked for an emergency debate on ISIS that was granted by the Speaker - a somewhat rare occurrence. Mulcaire said he asked all the questions, supported his position but he was amazed that when he looked over "Justin Trudeau didn't even bother to show up for work". I think we'll be hearing that comment more often........ *Mulcair Quote
poochies Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 I heard a clip of Tom Mulcaire on CFRB 1010 radio being interviewed by John Moore. It was Mulcaire mentioning that the Liberals had asked for an emergency debate on ISIS that was granted by the Speaker - a somewhat rare occurrence. Mulcaire said he asked all the questions, supported his position but he was amazed that when he looked over "Justin Trudeau didn't even bother to show up for work". I think we'll be hearing that comment more often........ Well idk, if you repeat that in the media doesn't it become and attack ad? I thought the liberals/NDP wouldn't do that? Quote
PIK Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 Mulcair and harper hav3e released some of their economic plans for the future and othing from trudeau. Are they to scared to do it because trudeau will then have to explain it. And why does my question mark button do this.éééééééé Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
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