Derek 2.0 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 really? It was asking you to draw distinction between the outcome of the illegal 2003 invasion and the causal tie/linkage that's once again precipitated another go-around... or you could just read the earlier Chomsky comment I posted earlier and respond to it: Rather simplistic, but I agree, likewise (as confirmed by Obama's former Defense Secretary on tonight's Factor) could have been prevented by keeping a small force in Iraq to further train the Iraqi military, with provisions for more technical support in place if required. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Jeezus...it's not like this is first time Canada has bombed something in Iraq. The democratic process has spoken....much more than can be said about PM Chretien "illegally" dropping bombs before (Kosovo War). Iraq has requested the assistance...all legal like. You just can't seem to get over Chretien thumbing his nose at your buddy who later became a war criminal for his troubles. It's all history now. Get over it is the best thing to do. Quote
eyeball Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 The reason(s) for war are quite clear.... These are just excuses otherwise we'd also be bombing Saudi Arabia along with a number of other countries. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
waldo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Without a doubt, the Hornet presently is a modern combat aircraft, and combined with the men and women that fly and service them, just as capable as those being currently flown by the USN against ISIS........again baseless talking point. Perhaps by intent, but comparisons drawn around such quips are offensive to a great many.........And no "cover" is required, my eldest is in the RCAF. that's quite the tune shift you're making... have you conveniently taken off your F-35 cheerleader's hat to allow you to speak favourably of the Hornet? Of course, the word "aging" is a most appropriate reference for the CF-18s life cycle... given perpetual F-35 delays, $2 billion had to spent to keep them flying. Given the latest decision by Harper Conservatives to "defer" purchase on the F-35, by your own supplied numbers, another $350 million will be required to keep the aging Hornets flying. You see how I did that, hey? Again, you're just making something out of nothing! The same way you are with the "whipping out" reference. Quote
waldo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Rather simplistic, but I agree, likewise (as confirmed by Obama's former Defense Secretary on tonight's Factor) could have been prevented by keeping a small force in Iraq to further train the Iraqi military, with provisions for more technical support in place if required. talk about a simplistic comment! That, "keeping a small force in Iraq" comment is pure speculative wishful thinking; rather, it's become nothing more than a partisan Republican talking point. As has been repeatedly mentioned, those billions of U.S. dollars spent training the Iraqi military were on full display when the Iraqi army refused to fight, dropped their guns/uniforms and high-tailed it. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 that's quite the tune shift you're making... have you conveniently taken off your F-35 cheerleader's hat to allow you to speak favourably of the Hornet? Of course, the word "aging" is a most appropriate reference for the CF-18s life cycle... given perpetual F-35 delays, $2 billion had to spent to keep them flying. Given the latest decision by Harper Conservatives to "defer" purchase on the F-35, by your own supplied numbers, another $350 million will be required to keep the aging Hornets flying. You see how I did that, hey? Again, you're just making something out of nothing! The same way you are with the "whipping out" reference. No, I understand both current and future threat requirements.........nor have I disparaged the capability of the current fleet in terms of meeting the requirements of the elected Government.......our Hornets are more then able to contend with the (low) threat matrix that ISIS poses in Iraq, that is not to say that in a differing environment there would be no issues to contend with, likewise future threat environments. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 talk about a simplistic comment! That, "keeping a small force in Iraq" comment is pure speculative wishful thinking; rather, it's become nothing more than a partisan Republican talking point. As has been repeatedly mentioned, those billions of U.S. dollars spent training the Iraqi military were on full display when the Iraqi army refused to fight, dropped their guns/uniforms and high-tailed it. Not quite, the result was the making of both incomplete training, coupled with the gutting of the Sunni officer corps by the Shia majority Government. Quote
waldo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 No, I understand both current and future threat requirements.........nor have I disparaged the capability of the current fleet in terms of meeting the requirements of the elected Government.......our Hornets are more then able to contend with the (low) threat matrix that ISIS poses in Iraq, that is not to say that in a differing environment there would be no issues to contend with, likewise future threat environments. huh! The Hornets are aging... they've needed one $2 billion upgrade to reset their best before date... and now they need another. That sir... is aging on display! That you would focus in on a single word, within a comment not even directed at the military, speaks volumes on just how desperate you are to attempt to make points... to attempt to deride JT over a most innocuous one word reference! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Posted October 8, 2014 "You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want .." - Sec'y Don Rumsfeld Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 huh! The Hornets are aging... they've needed one $2 billion upgrade to reset their best before date... and now they need another. That sir... is aging on display! That you would focus in on a single word, within a comment not even directed at the military, speaks volumes on just how desperate you are to attempt to make points... to attempt to deride JT over a most innocuous one word reference! Make points? What was JT doing in his reference to them? Quote
waldo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Not quite, the result was the making of both incomplete training, coupled with the gutting of the Sunni officer corps by the Shia majority Government. who cares... not even me to the point of even contesting your "not quite". It's not relevant either way... the point being, billion dollar U.S. training time/effort resulted in an Iraqi military that turned tail at the first sign of combat. In any case, the U.S. populace had its fill of war... it did not want (and does not now want) "boots on the ground". Which is, of course, the reason for this current charade that presumes on 'resident countries' stepping up and actually fighting a ground campaign. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 "You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want .." - Sec'y Don Rumsfeld Yes we all hang on the illustrious words of old Mr. Rumsfeld. I especially like the "we don't know what we dont know and we know we don't know waht we dont know.................. Quote
waldo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Make points? What was JT doing in his reference to them? yes - you are attempting to make points... again, over a single word used; the word "aging". You know, the current state of CF-18s - aging! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Posted October 8, 2014 Stop wasting your time whining about it....get over there before the Americans, British, Danes, Aussies, and French blow everything up ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Yes we all hang on the illustrious words of old Mr. Rumsfeld. I especially like the "we don't know what we dont know and we know we don't know waht we dont know.................. geezaz! The guy actually trots out a Rummy comment! He's living out his past (presumed) glories! Again, what goes around, comes around!!! Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Stop wasting your time whining about it....get over there before the Americans, British, Danes, Aussies, and French blow everything up ! Oh so that's the US approach? Blow everythin gup. Cool. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Hey what better way is there to liven up a party than throwing out a Rummy? Quote
waldo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Stop wasting your time whining about it....get over there before the Americans, British, Danes, Aussies, and French blow everything up ! hey now... where are the Germans, the Italians, the Norwegians, etc. I think it was 2.0 that was repeatedly running down the list of countries primed to bomb; of course, with the underlying implication of, "look at these countries... Canada just has to step up". And yet we have a whole cadre of NATO countries (and other), that aren't participating in that regard. Go figure, hey! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Posted October 8, 2014 This is great.....clueless peacemongers were so out of touch with reality. Can't wait for the morning news cycle: CANADA AT WAR !! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 I've always figured those people who like peace must be clueless. What the hell can they be thinking? Quote
waldo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 I've always figured those people who like peace must be clueless. What the hell can they be thinking? yes, that is a most contradictory response from a guy who repeatedly states he could care less about what Canada does/'thinks' (35K posts of "not caring"); this from a guy with a posting history that shows his absolute disdain for Canada, that shows his perpetual want to denigrate Canada at any opportunity. He just writes a number of posts emphasizing Canada will have little impact in the bomb-fest and flips on that with his "can't wait for the Canadian news cycle/peacemongers" comment. Such contradiction... which is the real guy here? Quote
Topaz Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Is Israel taking part in this? They do have a very good Air Force. Quote
PIK Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Is Israel taking part in this? They do have a very good Air Force.That would be nice to see. Put the BS away and let them help out. It could be a way to defuse some of the crap in ME, Israel helping out the arabs. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 This government can go piss up a rope. If Trudeau was behind this, he'd be in over his head too.Well he has some liberals disagreeing with him. And we are not in over our head. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Argus Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) Several pages and no one has managed to address my questions. I shall repeat. 1 - What are the national interests in the region? 2 - What are the direct threats to this nation from ISIS? All these fanatic groups seem to do their best to influence young people throughout the Muslim world, and succeed, to some extent. The Muslim world is dedicated to proselytizing and preaching, to influencing others to their way of God. It is not in our interests to have such a group prosper and spread. It is not in the interests of the middle east nor of the world at large. The danger to Canada is in the spread of the influence of this group among Canadian Muslims. Edited October 8, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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