Hal 9000 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 Things like civics are part of the curriculum. I did not say they hate teaching it in any form, I said they were willing to reinforce values taught by parents. Unfortunately, so often kids come to school now with little idea on how to work and play with others, basic manners are absent. That's what they hate, having to assume the role of parents in order to get their jobs done. In the main, their job is and should be teaching a curriculum of instruction. Every moment spent otherwise is a waste of expensive resources, and cheats those children whose parents have taught them how to behave with other people. I'm not talking about normal class discipline which is something everybody has to learn. Only if the parents values are the same as theirs, otherwise they feel perfectly fine enforcing their own values? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 So, at the heart of the matter is "feminism". We want to officially teach feminism to children at the earliest ages. I'm still waiting for you to enlighten me as whats in these courses and how they are taught. Should children be completely ignorant and left in the dark? Feminism is an important part of our history from the suffragettes all the way through to modern day issues. Should they not know about these things? Quote
cybercoma Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 I have twins and every single year, I have to fight the school because they insist that twins need to be separated for their own social well being. EVERY F@@KING YEAR!Did you ask them why they think it's a bad thing? Are the kids having difficulty socializing with others and only keep to themselves? Twins sometimes do this, not to mention having difficulty forming their own identity as others confuse them with each other (if they're identical twins). Did you ever think to stop and listen or did you just put your foot down? Quote
socialist Posted September 30, 2014 Author Report Posted September 30, 2014 Seeing as the definition of feminism is the belief that women deserve equal rights, it's acutely relevant to what you've been saying. Do you agree with Betty Frieden feminism? Melissa Farley feminism? Florence Rush feminism? Linda Evans feminism? It's easy to throw out terminology while producing no evidence of understanding. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Hal 9000 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 Did you ask them why they think it's a bad thing? Are the kids having difficulty socializing with others and only keep to themselves? Twins sometimes do this, not to mention having difficulty forming their own identity as others confuse them with each other (if they're identical twins). Did you ever think to stop and listen or did you just put your foot down? I know a lot more about twins (my twins) then either you or them. Doesn't matter what they think anyway, the fact is; you and they obviously have a cookie cutter idea of what twins are, they think they know better than me - and that's the issue. My twins have separate friends (mostly), and don't even sit beside each other - never have, they sit by their friends just like every other kid tries to do. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 Should children be completely ignorant and left in the dark? Feminism is an important part of our history from the suffragettes all the way through to modern day issues. Should they not know about these things? Teaching women in history is fine, there is also a black history month - that's fine too, but it doesn't stop there - does it? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 Do you agree with Betty Frieden feminism? Melissa Farley feminism? Florence Rush feminism? Linda Evans feminism? It's easy to throw out terminology while producing no evidence of understanding.Do you agree with Hartmann, Firestone, Walby, O'Brien, hooks, Butler, or Dorothy Smith?Please take your ridiculous charade somewhere else, while the adults talk. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 I know a lot more about twins (my twins) then either you or them. Doesn't matter what they think anyway, the fact is; you and they obviously have a cookie cutter idea of what twins are, they think they know better than me - and that's the issue. My twins have separate friends (mostly), and don't even sit beside each other - never have, they sit by their friends just like every other kid tries to do. i don't have any ideas about your kids, but it's nice to see that you completely missed the point, which tells me all I need to know about how you approached the school about it. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 Teaching women in history is fine, there is also a black history month - that's fine too, but it doesn't stop there - does it?Sure it does. If feminism is being taught, the there are numerous schools of thought in that area, building in each other over time. I'm not exactly sure you know what is being taught. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 i don't have any ideas about your kids, but it's nice to see that you completely missed the point, which tells me all I need to know about how you approached the school about it. Yes, I asked them why, but you kinda answered your own question. I thought the answer was obvious, they felt they would be too dependant on each other. I was also told that it was standard practice. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 Sure it does. If feminism is being taught, the there are numerous schools of thought in that area, building in each other over time. I'm not exactly sure you know what is being taught. So, were back to feminism? Again, you'll have to enlighten me on what and how it's being taught. Please help me change my mind. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
socialist Posted October 1, 2014 Author Report Posted October 1, 2014 Do you agree with Hartmann, Firestone, Walby, O'Brien, hooks, Butler, or Dorothy Smith? Please take your ridiculous charade somewhere else, while the adults talk. Oh, I see. You just evade when challenged. Yo play the role of a know-it-all, yet resort to personall attacks when your foolishness is exposed. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Shady Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 I thought this thread might be about stuff like KRS One, BDP, Public Enemy, etc. But it looks like it isn't. Too bad. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 Oh, I see. You just evade when challenged. Yo play the role of a know-it-all, yet resort to personall attacks when your foolishness is exposed.i know far more than you on probably every topic you parade around this forum pretending to know about with your tired act. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 Agreed - except that the parent is far better qualified and informed than the teacher to parent. Some people (like myself and I suspect Hal) feel that I know better than any teacher as to what aspects of morality, ethics, faith, values, interpersonal relationships, etc I want my child to be exposed to and consider. I know far, far more about my child's history, friendships, family influences and maturity than any teacher. For example - teach my children the "plumbing" of the reproductive system and leave it to me to explain how, when and why it should be used. Teach my child the reality of the mismatch of the have and have not's of this world and leave it to me to explain if this is a good thing or a bad thing, why it happened and what (if anything) he\she should do about it. I expect teachers to follow the law and spirit of the given curriculum without trying to interpret it to their personal views and values. That is a very difficult thing to do. But that is why it pays well. Sounds like you are launching your children on a one track mind kind of upbringing. I wouldn't want that for mine. Quote
socialist Posted October 1, 2014 Author Report Posted October 1, 2014 i know far more than you on probably every topic you parade around this forum pretending to know about with your tired act. You know far more on PROBABLY every topic? Beyond that, I have a hard time understanding run-on gibberish. Learn to write before responding to me. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Hal 9000 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 Sounds like you are launching your children on a one track mind kind of upbringing. I wouldn't want that for mine. So, you believe that the school system and some 25YO teacher (who you probably don't know) is so much more morally and intellectually superior to yourself, that you'll simply give them carte blanche to shovel whatever philosophy they choose into your child? WoW! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 So, you believe that the school system and some 25YO teacher (who you probably don't know) is so much more morally and intellectually superior to yourself, that you'll simply give them carte blanche to shovel whatever philosophy they choose into your child? WoW! That's just so spun with sensationalism. The fact is kids spend a lot of time with teachers and there will be interaction beyond just how to spell DOG abd 1 plus 1. Of course the parent bears the responsibility of parenting. I just wouldn't be so paranoid about someone other than me having some influence. I don't know everything. Apparently you think you do. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 That's just so spun with sensationalism. The fact is kids spend a lot of time with teachers and there will be interaction beyond just how to spell DOG abd 1 plus 1. Of course the parent bears the responsibility of parenting. I just wouldn't be so paranoid about someone other than me having some influence. I don't know everything. Apparently you think you do. I'm pretty confident that myself, my wife, grandparents, and siblings can install the values in my child that makes them a complete person. I really don't need or want some teacher trying to interpret some social justice agenda. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Michael Hardner Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 I really don't need or want some teacher trying to interpret some social justice agenda. Well, you do have more influence over your child than any teacher so you can instruct your child at home. You can also provide input to the Ministry of Education as to your views as to what should be taught. Keep in mind, though, that a child is not a pet; you can teach a child, but ultimately they will make up their own minds independently. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Big Guy Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 Sounds like you are launching your children on a one track mind kind of upbringing. I wouldn't want that for mine. You may be correct but I guess each parent defines their responsibilities differently. There are areas where I believe I thought my responsibility was to present the views of my family, culture, religion, traditions, values etc. The school system tries to stay away from these areas and rightly so (I believe). In the classroom, how do you deal with the issue of reproduction without getting into the issues of dating, marriage, homosexuality et al. I consider these to be issues that are the prerogative of the parent. Personally, I do not expect the school system to provide what it considers the “right” view. You can attempt to teach the concepts of communism, dictatorships, capitalism without tending to opinion which is good, bad or the other. That is very difficult to do especially when presented by someone with very little real world experience. I remember when the new curriculum which included marriage and family was introduced in the Toronto elementary system. Outrage resulted when the children were taught that same sex marriage, homosexuality and same sex parenting was introduced as an acceptable, viable and optional life style. You may or may not agree but many parents felt that the system had stepped over the line. The battle continues to rage with some parents removing their children from those classes. The problem may be that some parents look to the school system to do some parenting for them while others resent someone in a position of authority wandering into areas that should be reserved for parents only. “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”. - John Lydgate Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 You may be correct but I guess each parent defines their responsibilities differently. Personally, I do not expect the school system to provide what it considers the “right” view. I certainly don't expect that all parents will provide all the values that society considers appropriate either. Obviously there are universal values that can and should be taught in school. If a parent is that adamant they be the end all and be all that their kids learn from, there's always homeschooling. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Hal 9000 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 I certainly don't expect that all parents will provide all the values that society considers appropriate either. Obviously there are universal values that can and should be taught in school. If a parent is that adamant they be the end all and be all that their kids learn from, there's always homeschooling. Yes, but Marxism is not one of those things. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Big Guy Posted October 1, 2014 Report Posted October 1, 2014 I certainly don't expect that all parents will provide all the values that society considers appropriate either. Obviously there are universal values that can and should be taught in school. If a parent is that adamant they be the end all and be all that their kids learn from, there's always homeschooling. I do not disagree. The problem is one of economics and qualifications. Few parents who would qualify as teachers at home can afford to have only one income earner. Also, teacher unions and Ministry of Education guidelines make the process very difficult. http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDUQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.attachmentparenting.ca%2FFraserHomeEducationReport.pdf&ei=EhQsVIziOYS2yQSS9ICgDA&usg=AFQjCNFrN_B-3cxuNwtivkms-37B6XDHRQ But is spite of these roadblocks, about 100,000 children are being home schooled in Canada and these numbers are increasing yearly. http://www.flora.org/homeschool-ca/faq.html It appears that there are more than just a few parents who have lost confidence in the public education systems. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
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