Michael Hardner Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 You totally missed Kimmy's point. Your comment was completely irrelevant to the topic. He doesn't agree with the point. What he's saying is why shouldn't the market go to a lower cost to complete the work ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 He doesn't agree with the point. What he's saying is why shouldn't the market go to a lower cost to complete the work ? Of course...what's so special about Canadian (or American) workers compared to cheaper foreign competition ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 He doesn't agree with the point. What he's saying is why shouldn't the market go to a lower cost to complete the work ? Comparing automation vs. cheap foreign workers is apples/oranges. No one has argued in this thread that work should never be automated. Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Comparing automation vs. cheap foreign workers is apples/oranges. No one has argued in this thread that work should never be automated. Exactly - and August asked "what's the difference" ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Exactly - and August asked "what's the difference" ? Implying that he thought there was no difference... Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Implying that he thought there was no difference... Yes... why do you think there is a difference ? At what point should we favour Canadian labour ? What are your thoughts ? Tear up all trade agreements ? Go it alone ? Pray tell. We know how August feels. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Yes... why do you think there is a difference ? At what point should we favour Canadian labour ? What are your thoughts ? Tear up all trade agreements ? Go it alone ? Pray tell. We know how August feels. Well considering that our governments entire purpose is to serve Canadians and Canadian workers there should never BE a point where they arent acting in their interests. And pretending that the only alternative to free trade with totalitarian, corrupt, and communist regimes is "going it alone" is really just plain silly. Countries should trade with each other when it makes sense for their workers and consumers, but they should not make deals that tie their own hands and restrict future governments abilities to act in our best interests. And we should not make trade agreements with countries that have a history of price dumping, currency manipulation, or weak or nonexistant environmental and labor laws. Should the government protect workers who are being edged out on an even playing field by other workers that are more efficient, or more productive? NO. Should the government protect workers who are being edged out because their workers are being treated like human cattle, or companies are allowed to destroy the environment to keep down costs? OBVIOUSLY YES. We enforce environmental and labor regulations in this country... what is the sense in allowing producers that sell goods here to destroy our domestic producers by operating in places that dont? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Well considering that our governments entire purpose is to serve Canadians and Canadian workers there should never BE a point where they arent acting in their interests. There are conflicting interests there. And pretending that the only alternative to free trade with totalitarian, corrupt, and communist regimes is "going it alone" is really just plain silly. Countries should trade with each other when it makes sense for their workers and consumers, but they should not make deals that tie their own hands and restrict future governments abilities to act in our best interests. We heard this with FTA and NAFTA. What are the parameters, that's all I'm asking. Should the government protect workers who are being edged out on an even playing field by other workers that are more efficient, or more productive? NO. What ? People who work for less are more productive by definition - you know this right ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Should the government protect workers who are being edged out on an even playing field by other workers that are more efficient, or more productive? NO. So you approve of all the corporate decisions that closed Ontario factories and moved jobs to, say, the southern US? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Without the racism, a computer is the same as a person - it replaces a bookkeeper. Kimmy, where would you and I be if you had to communicate with me by telegraph - or mail. If you are under the impression that our messages are being carried through the wires by tiny Temporary Foreign Workers, you're mistaken. TFWs aren't an innovation that lets us accomplish things that would be impossible otherwise. TFWs are an innovation that lets deadbeat employers undermine wages. Nothing more. Why is that you Free Market Heroes hate the free market when it comes to the cost of labor? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 So you approve of all the corporate decisions that closed Ontario factories and moved jobs to, say, the southern US? Of course.....name one major Canadian auto make. Where do you think most of the capital for those jobs came from? U.S. & Japan Example: EMD London was never a Canadian company...just a maneuver to beat protectionist tariffs and get contracts. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Countries should trade with each other when it makes sense for their workers and consumers, but they should not make deals that tie their own hands and restrict future governments abilities to act in our best interests. But here is the reality of the actual world we live in. Corporations employ people , not governments. General Motors or anybody would not invest billions in plants in, say North Korea because they know their cash is forfeit at any time at whim of govt. General Motors will invest in Canada or France or Mexico because they know that it is very unlikely that those countries will steal their money. They won't dramatically change whatever deal they made at the start. Security. Return on investment. In return, decent jobs and tax revenue. Its a reasonable gamble for both sides and one party has to tie up billions, the other side has to promise to respect the terms that brought the billions. Canada made that very deal with automakers, and made another deal (AutoPact which begat NAFTA) with another govt(s) and it served Ontario/Canada for several decades. If you want to enjoy that fat social contract we enjoy in one of the better places to live on the planet- yes, you do have to give to get. Nobody but nobody invests monster bucks without some security. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) That's a silly question. If White Canadian police can't properly police immigrant communities how do you think immigrant police could properly police White Canadians? Do we need separate ethnic police forces to police every ethnic group? There are multiple reasons for ethocultural diversity in the police force. Knowledge of the language and culture of the community are vital for gathering information and establishing trust. The closer you match the police and the community, the more success you should have. Edited October 4, 2015 by SpankyMcFarland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 We have heard a lot about citizenship and its value recently. I'd like to see more evidence that Canadian citizenship is really valued by the government and that low wage workers are not being undercut by foreigners in this country. If you have to pay Canadian Tim Horton's workers a lot more in certain locations, well, do it. The same with slaughterhouses. That will mean more expensive food which I think is fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 ... that low wage workers are not being undercut by foreigners in this country. Good luck with that one. It may be seen as a great thing for the overall economy to do this, and all three parties could covertly support it... and you wouldn't know. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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