cybercoma Posted September 29, 2014 Report Posted September 29, 2014 No second guessing. Kill first. Ask questions later. Even when someone's unarmed? Quote
jbg Posted September 29, 2014 Report Posted September 29, 2014 No second guessing. Kill first. Ask questions later. Even when someone's unarmed?How does a cop know for sure that someone acting in an aggressive manner is unarmed? Should the officer have to wait for someone to draw a weapon first? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Black Dog Posted September 29, 2014 Author Report Posted September 29, 2014 Nobody can be sure. But law enforcers' are the ones with their lives on the line, not a bunch of natterers behind a keyboard. I'll tell you one thing; resisting law enforcement officers is unforgivably dumb. First off, being a cop isn't that dangerous compared to many other, less fawned over occupations. And this also brings be back to a point I made earlier: why are cops' lives worth more than anyone else's that they warrant such protection? Quote
Black Dog Posted September 29, 2014 Author Report Posted September 29, 2014 How does a cop know for sure that someone acting in an aggressive manner is unarmed? Should the officer have to wait for someone to draw a weapon first? Yes. Quote
jbg Posted September 29, 2014 Report Posted September 29, 2014 First off, being a cop isn't that dangerous compared to many other, less fawned over occupations. And this also brings be back to a point I made earlier: why are cops' lives worth more than anyone else's that they warrant such protection?Because the cops protect all people, including you and me. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Black Dog Posted September 29, 2014 Author Report Posted September 29, 2014 Because the cops protect all people, including you and me. There's countless examples of cops using lethal force when not faced with any immediate danger, which suggests that their number one priority is protecting their own skin. Quote
GostHacked Posted September 29, 2014 Report Posted September 29, 2014 Of course he's not white, but he wasn't black either. More of a grey area then? More importantly he was actually brandishing a weapon. There isn't a single account of the deceased in Ferguson having a weapon on him, video or not. I just find it incredibly incongruous that you were so vocally displeased with the police in one situation where someone didn't need to die, but not in this situation, where clearly by all accounts the victim didn't need to be killed. Both situations are deplorable and the police could have/should have done things different. Yatim was contained in a streetcar surrounded by police with little chance of escaping. Brown was gunned down and things are still not that clear on what really happened. But we have not heard anything from the officer who shot Brown. Nothing. Then there is this other cop who shot a person who was complying with the cop and was reaching for his license to show the cop who confronted him. Something is very wrong in how police are treating everyone like suspects/criminals from the get go. Quote
GostHacked Posted September 29, 2014 Report Posted September 29, 2014 Because the cops protect all people, including you and me. This is absolute bull. The cops protect themselves first and foremost. They protect each other. They protect the establishment, and not the public in any way shape or form. Quote
GostHacked Posted September 29, 2014 Report Posted September 29, 2014 What about the countless NEEDLESS deaths of people by police when they end up 'SWATTING' the wrong home? Simple search on youtube gets you plenty of this kind of action from police. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 People used to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Now cops treat everyone as guilty and sentence them to death and physical assault any chance they get. Quote
Smallc Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 Cops used to be innocent until proven guilty too. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 Cops used to be innocent until proven guilty too. Really? After all of the unarmed people killed by cops recently, that's your response? Quote
Smallc Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 Are they not innocent until proven guilty? Quote
cybercoma Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 Are you really asking such a stupid question? Quote
Smallc Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 I don't know it seems like a valid question as you seem to be implying their guilt based on nothing but circumstantial evidence. Quote
eyeball Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Cops used to be innocent until proven guilty too. It was assumed they were, until they proved our assumptions wrong time and time again. Now we can never know for sure...(edited to add)...but a camera on every one would go a long way towards rectifying that situation. I'm betting cameras would save a lot of lives. Edited September 30, 2014 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 Apparently even the cameras don't always work to stop this kind of thing. Look at the cop who shoots the guy in the hip after he goes back to the car to get his DL as asked by the cop, at the gas station. It was of course a white cop and a black driver. I won't say I think it was directly racially motivated but perhaps indirectly in that the cop obviously over reacted , and would he have done so it it had been a white man he was asking to provide his DL. Quote
Smallc Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 It was assumed they were, until they proved our assumptions wrong time and time again. Now we can never know for sure...(edited to add)...but a camera on every one would go a long way towards rectifying that situation. I'm betting cameras would save a lot of lives. So hang them all then? Quote
eyeball Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 No, I said hang cameras on all of them. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Bob Macadoo Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 Apparently even the cameras don't always work to stop this kind of thing. Look at the cop who shoots the guy in the hip after he goes back to the car to get his DL as asked by the cop, at the gas station. It was of course a white cop and a black driver. I won't say I think it was directly racially motivated but perhaps indirectly in that the cop obviously over reacted , and would he have done so it it had been a white man he was asking to provide his DL. Naw....ask Argus, it had nothing to do with his colour......he probably flashed a gang sign signally his thuggery......therefore actions justified. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 a camera on every one would go a long way towards rectifying that situation. I'm betting cameras would save a lot of lives.Toronto announced they would have a year long trial of this. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 So hang them all then? No, I said hang cameras on all of them. This made me laugh. Quote
Argus Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Naw....ask Argus, it had nothing to do with his colour......he probably flashed a gang sign signally his thuggery......therefore actions justified. Why bring me into this? Have I challenged the cop acted stupidly? He was fired and is charged with a crime, which ought to indicate this is not exactly considered routine police work. I agree the cop might not have been so summarily fired were it not for the cameras, but I'm on records as supporting all police wear bodycams at all times. Edited September 30, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted September 30, 2014 Report Posted September 30, 2014 As funny as it is, I'd agree with that (for the most part) Quote
Shady Posted October 18, 2014 Report Posted October 18, 2014 Really? After all of the unarmed people killed by cops recently, that's your response? Nice. Now apply that to muslim terrorism you hypocrite. Quote
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