Argus Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) For me, If it became "fact" that Mike Brown took those 4 arm wounds with his back turned, I'd want this cop jailed for a good long time. It's legal to shoot violent felons fleeing police. Edited August 23, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) Officer Wilson's salary is posted at about $45K....more with overtime. Ferguson has its own police department and is not part of St. Louis or St. Louis County PD. Edited August 23, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hal 9000 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 It's legal to shoot violent felons fleeing police. Be that as it may! The felon still didn't have a gun either. I would consider it over the line of acceptability. In that situation, I would hope that the cop calls in back-up and just picks the suspect up at a later time. He wouldn't have been hard to track down. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 According to the Ferguson police chief Wilson wasn't aware of the robbery and therefore couldn't conclude Brown was a felon of any kind let alone a violent one. What happened at the police car is still anybody's guess. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 It's legal to shoot violent felons fleeing police. No. It actually isn't. But you keep telling yourself that. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 It's amazing how this guy lunges at the cops with two knives, literally trying to murder them, unlike Brown, and the police around Buckingham Palace didn't resort to unloading an entire magazine of bullets into him.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9845438/Man-with-two-knives-shot-with-Taser-at-Buckingham-Palace-gates.htmlYou people justifying the killing of Brown are advocating a society where police shoot first and ask questions later. We're talking about setting a precedent where it's perfectly acceptable for the police to shoot people just for being non-compliant and aggressive. You're talking about a society where the police are judge, jury, and executioner right at the side of the road. Screw that and anyone that thinks that's the kind of society we should be living in. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 I bet if a 6' 4", 300lb guy is intent on tearing your head off, and you had a gun, you'd shoot him too.Actually thats a parallel take on this if you could ignore the racial undertones. I'm more leaning to the presumptions made based on someone's size. Was Wilson more apt to shoot Brown due to his size? If Brown was the size of his friend would the shooting have occurred? The presumptions made about people due to their height/girth is staggeringly awful.Let's say Wilson believed Brown turning around was indication of a charge, would he have done the same if he was 5'-9" 195 lbs? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 ..... Screw that and anyone that thinks that's the kind of society we should be living in. Doesn't matter what you may think society should be....it is that way in the U.S. today and has been for a long time. Cops are shot and killed on a routine basis as well, but where are the protests...the riots...the marches...the heartfelt pleas for kinder, gentler criminals ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 It's amazing how this guy lunges at the cops with two knives, literally trying to murder them, unlike Brown, and the police around Buckingham Palace didn't resort to unloading an entire magazine of bullets into him. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9845438/Man-with-two-knives-shot-with-Taser-at-Buckingham-Palace-gates.html You people justifying the killing of Brown are advocating a society where police shoot first and ask questions later. We're talking about setting a precedent where it's perfectly acceptable for the police to shoot people just for being non-compliant and aggressive. You're talking about a society where the police are judge, jury, and executioner right at the side of the road. Screw that and anyone that thinks that's the kind of society we should be living in. And even if the grand jury decides to indict Wilson, statistics indicate the likelihood of a conviction are quite slim. It's kinda like they have two sets of laws, one for police and one for everybody else. Quote
Argus Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 No. It actually isn't. But you keep telling yourself that. Yes, it actually is. http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/deadly-force-what-does-law-say-about-when-police-are-allowed-use-it Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 Actually thats a parallel take on this if you could ignore the racial undertones. I'm more leaning to the presumptions made based on someone's size. Was Wilson more apt to shoot Brown due to his size? If Brown was the size of his friend would the shooting have occurred? The presumptions made about people due to their height/girth is staggeringly awful. Let's say Wilson believed Brown turning around was indication of a charge, would he have done the same if he was 5'-9" 195 lbs? I don't think there's any question at all a guy that big coming at you, especially one who has already struck you and tried to take your gun, is far and away more dangerous than a smaller man. I would certainly be more likely to shoot him. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 You people justifying the killing of Brown are advocating a society where police shoot first and ask questions later. We're talking about setting a precedent where it's perfectly acceptable for the police to shoot people just for being non-compliant and aggressive. If by 'aggressive' you mean 'violent' then I'm pretty much okay with that. It'd be nice to have star trek phasers set on stun that work every time, but that just isn't the case. I'm all for finding non-lethal means of taking people down, though. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 I'm all for finding non-lethal means of taking people down, though. Yeah. You really sound like it. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 Yes, it actually is. http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/deadly-force-what-does-law-say-about-when-police-are-allowed-use-it Did you even bother to read the first sentence: The Constitution does not permit police to fire at unarmed, nonviolent, fleeing suspects unless there is a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or the public. You're playing pretty loose with the definition of significant threat of death or serious physical injury. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 And even if the grand jury decides to indict Wilson, statistics indicate the likelihood of a conviction are quite slim. It's kinda like they have two sets of laws, one for police and one for everybody else. Well, yeah in some ways there are. It's also a cops job to literally chase down criminals. You can't ask them to do what they do and then charge them for doing what protocol has taught them to do. The cop stopped just as he should've, an altercation happened and the suspect ran, the cop chased as protocol demands, he felt threatened and when he started shooting, he shot until the suspect was on the ground. All the protocol was followed. The only question is whether the perp was coming towards him or not. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 Maybe we should educate perps on the "Police Force Continuum"...maybe it's just a failure to communicate: Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 Maybe we should educate you on where this incident falls on that scale. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 Ed Magee, a spokesman for St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCulloch, declined to comment on the new reports about Wilson, and said prosecutors have not received any medical records. But he said that because Wilson was taken to the hospital, McCulloch’s office assumes such records exist. Why would they not have received such records by now. And where is Wilson's lawyer? Where are the supporters of Wilson? Why haven't they come out in the media to support him? That is a common tactical legal maneuver to bring out his supporters. Could be that when the cop knew the trouble he was in ... asked to get roughed up and claim Brown assaulted him. Remember the police ARE ALLOWED TO LIE. Which does not set a good precedent, or a good standard in how to deal with the public. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 Could be that when the cop knew the trouble he was in ... asked to get roughed up and claim Brown assaulted him. Remember the police ARE ALLOWED TO LIE. Which does not set a good precedent, or a good standard in how to deal with the public. If his orbital bone is broken, were all quite prepared for the obligatory "his buddy did it in the hospital parking lot" routine. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 Maybe we should educate you on where this incident falls on that scale. Sure...I'm always willing to learn about U.S. police procedures and policies from Canadian wannabes. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 Sure...I'm always willing to learn about U.S. police procedures and policies from Canadian wannabes. The only Canadian wannabe around here is the American who has a ridiculous obsession with injecting nonsense about Canada into every topic about US news. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) The only Canadian wannabe around here is the American who has a ridiculous obsession with injecting nonsense about Canada into every topic about US news. You have already injected your own personal nonsense about what "society" should or shouldn't do with respect to this U.S. event. As usual, you are projecting across the border, because this is what you do. Down here, we shoot perps, and there is nothing you can do about it as another "U.S. news" fix. Edited August 23, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 Down here, we shoot perps Because you live in a disgusting backwards uncivilized society and your celebration of that shows just how weak your character is. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 Because you live in a disgusting backwards uncivilized society and your celebration of that shows just how weak your character is. But it's our society, not yours. Don't like it....tough bounce. We shoot perps...legally...shoot 'em dead. Then you get to complain about it from Canada for reasons only you understand. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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