cybercoma Posted August 30, 2014 Report Posted August 30, 2014 Right. Because voting for the politician that panders to your mythical sky fairy isn't superficial and unimportant. and let's be clear, all parties pose for ridiculous campaign photos, Quote
Argus Posted August 30, 2014 Report Posted August 30, 2014 You may have missed other points in the article: "Trudeau has brought the party back from near-extinction in 2011 to lead in the polls, and the NDP, admirable but too cautious, are worried. What do Stephen Harper and his wife do before a big moment? Glare at each other? He yells at a trembling staffer, she strokes her cats. At some point, a line was crossed and Harper now emits the kind of toxicity a politician can’t kill. It’s like a house where meth was cooked. That house is done." I haven't been much impressed by Harper since the start of the recession. To me, his government has been, since that time, the equivalent of the Chretien government. That is to say, they're desperate to hang on to power in order to be in power. They're aimless, visionless, and are doing pretty much nothing. Why? Because they don't want to rock the boat. Well, that's no way to govern. That being said, Trudeau's bringing the Liberals back to life has to do with his pretty face and hair, and the fact that he, unlike Harper, is an extrovert and talks like a human being, something few politicians seem capable of these days. That's great for getting attention from the shallow who don't look beyond that, but how does it help him run the country? He's an intellectual lightweight, and the only ideas he's come up with so far are either superficial, as in legalizing pot, or stupid and likely to damage the economy, as in his environmental beliefs. I see him as the equivalent of Dalton McGuinty, not very smart, not very sophisticated, and eager to jump on any left wing theory which comes around the corner. McGuinty has all-but destroyed Ontario's economy with his farcically stupid economic and environmental policies and I fear Trudeau will do the same for the whole of Canada. That greatly outweighs his pretty hair in my mind. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 30, 2014 Report Posted August 30, 2014 Right. Because voting for the politician that panders to your mythical sky fairy isn't superficial and unimportant. Harper is at least competent. He isn't doing much, but that's better than an eager, earnest stupid man who'll institute policies which destroy the economy. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 30, 2014 Report Posted August 30, 2014 how stupid are people who criticize victims more than the criminals who wrong them? How were they wronged? How were they victims? A drunk wandered into their house by mistake because the idealistic idiots didn't lock their door at night, even when the man of the house was out of town. I suppose they'll need trauma counseling for the rest of their lives now... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 30, 2014 Report Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Harper in all his arrogance keeps on trying to create this facade that he is the elder statesman to JT's "flimsiness". Uh, he IS an elder statesman, and Trudeau is pretty damned flimsy. Poll numbers are beside the point. I'd like to see Harper replaced, but not by a guy whose principal skills are brushing his hair and batting his eyes for the camera. Edited August 30, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dre Posted August 30, 2014 Report Posted August 30, 2014 Harper is at least competent. He isn't doing much, but that's better than an eager, earnest stupid man who'll institute policies which destroy the economy. I haven't been much impressed by Harper since the start of the recession. To me, his government has been, since that time, the equivalent of the Chretien government. That is to say, they're desperate to hang on to power in order to be in power. They're aimless, visionless, and are doing pretty much nothing. Why? Because they don't want to rock the boat. Well, that's no way to govern. That being said, Trudeau's bringing the Liberals back to life has to do with his pretty face and hair, and the fact that he, unlike Harper, is an extrovert and talks like a human being, something few politicians seem capable of these days. That's great for getting attention from the shallow who don't look beyond that, but how does it help him run the country? He's an intellectual lightweight, and the only ideas he's come up with so far are either superficial, as in legalizing pot, or stupid and likely to damage the economy, as in his environmental beliefs. I see him as the equivalent of Dalton McGuinty, not very smart, not very sophisticated, and eager to jump on any left wing theory which comes around the corner. McGuinty has all-but destroyed Ontario's economy with his farcically stupid economic and environmental policies and I fear Trudeau will do the same for the whole of Canada. That greatly outweighs his pretty hair in my mind. First of all ending prohibition of soft drugs isnt superficial. It would be the most useful thing the government has done in decades and would take a multi billion dollar industry and its proceeds out of the hands of organized crime and put it into the hands or regulated tax paying businessmen. Beyond that youre way too caught up in the cult of personality. Theres no reason to think that a liberal government would be much different than the conservatives. Prime ministers dont micro manage the country, or make decisions alone. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
waldo Posted August 30, 2014 Report Posted August 30, 2014 ...his pretty face and hair; ...his pretty hair ... principal skills are brushing his hair I can see it now... along the lines of the Harper Conservative "Just Visiting" attack ads against Ignatieff... next up: "JT's a lightweight - Hair today, Gone tomorrow!" Quote
Argus Posted August 30, 2014 Report Posted August 30, 2014 First of all ending prohibition of soft drugs isnt superficial. It would be the most useful thing the government has done in decades and would take a multi billion dollar industry and its proceeds out of the hands of organized crime and put it into the hands or regulated tax paying businessmen. Yes, it IS superficial. That it might be one of the more useful things the government has done in a while only goes to show how useless the Harper and Chretien governments are and have been. After more than a decade Chretien was left seeking something to be his legacy and found nothing. What will Harper's legacy be? I can't think of a thing. Beyond that youre way too caught up in the cult of personality. Theres no reason to think that a liberal government would be much different than the conservatives. Prime ministers dont micro manage the country, or make decisions alone. Actually they do. Harper does. Chretien did. Mulroney did. Trudeau Sr. at least had a group of talented ministers, but there was no question who was THE BOSS. Trudeau Jr has already shown his arrogant streak with a lot less to be arrogant about than his father. He'll make the decisions, and let his caucus know about it by reading it in the paper the next morning. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted August 30, 2014 Report Posted August 30, 2014 When JT takes power he may actually have the courage to attend a meeting with the Provincial Premiers such as is going on just now and which Harper never goes to. You know, the "provinces" those places where the people actually live. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 30, 2014 Report Posted August 30, 2014 Today we had Federal Justice Minister Peter MacKay making statements in Marc Emery's hometown with the following absurd statements: His government won’t loosen marijuana laws. (Let's fill up those prisons!) We do not favour legalization, we do not favour decriminalization. (they refuse to look at what the majority of Canadians wants) It is our intention to continue to uphold the law that does not allow the proliferation of drug use and marijuana. (MJ is a terrible drug!) Liberal government would make it easier for children to get their hands on pot. While the Liberals would try to make it easier for our children to access marijuana, Canadians can count on our government to put forward policies that keep drugs off our streets and keep our families safe. (It's my assumption that a child would not be allowed to purchase mj, similar to alcohol and cigarettes) With statements like these how can we not vote liberal. Please help us if the only reason to vote for a guy is his stance on pot. What about education, foreign policy, economy, crime, financial growth, terrorism (yes, it exists)? Does anybody really have a problem getting weed? I don't think I know anybody who has been arrested for weed in years, I'd like to see the stats on that though because i'm all in favour of decriminalizing weed but i surely won't vote a guy into power for it - that's just stupid. It's all about economy, if the economy is good everything else falls into place. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Argus Posted August 30, 2014 Report Posted August 30, 2014 When JT takes power he may actually have the courage to attend a meeting with the Provincial Premiers such as is going on just now and which Harper never goes to. You know, the "provinces" those places where the people actually live. Courage? What makes you think it would take courage to attend that meeting? Of course he'll go! He'll look sympathetic and anguished and hell, even order up a royal commission, and probably slip some extra bucks into the Chief's pockets. What the hell, it's only taxpayer money after all. Expect both taxes and spending to rise significantly, btw. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted August 30, 2014 Report Posted August 30, 2014 Courage? What makes you think it would take courage to attend that meeting? Of course he'll go! He'll look sympathetic and anguished and hell, even order up a royal commission, and probably slip some extra bucks into the Chief's pockets. What the hell, it's only taxpayer money after all. Expect both taxes and spending to rise significantly, btw. Kinda like how Harper took a rather large surplus from Martin and turned it into some of the largest defecits ever? Quote
Argus Posted August 30, 2014 Report Posted August 30, 2014 Kinda like how Harper took a rather large surplus from Martin and turned it into some of the largest defecits ever? The only thing Harper can be honestly blamed for in that is that he cut taxes when times were good. I opposed it at the time and still do. We can cut taxes when the debt is paid off and not before. A deficit was inevitable, however, given the recession, the falling tax revenue, rising demand for social services and incentive spending, and the minority government. I also find nothing but contempt in the idea Martin build up a large surplus for any reason at all but to spend it in an election splurge. In fact, Chretien committed most of the surplus for years to come in his last budget, even making it almost impossible to claw back the money or cancel the promised programs. This was aimed at Martin, of course, leaving him little money to offer promises if he wanted to balance the budget. Martin, nevertheless, offered billions in spending promises when he ran for election, and would have taken us immediately into deficit had he won. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted August 31, 2014 Report Posted August 31, 2014 Please help us if the only reason to vote for a guy is his stance on pot. ...i'm all in favour of decriminalizing weed but i surely won't vote a guy into power for it - that's just stupid. It's all about economy, if the economy is good everything else falls into place. No it doesn't fall into place, stupid is as stupid does. Getting rid of dumb laws and policies is smart, keeping them is dumb. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 31, 2014 Report Posted August 31, 2014 The only thing Harper can be honestly blamed for in that is that he cut taxes when times were good. I opposed it at the time and still do. We can cut taxes when the debt is paid off and not before. A deficit was inevitable, however, given the recession, the falling tax revenue, rising demand for social services and incentive spending, and the minority government. I also find nothing but contempt in the idea Martin build up a large surplus for any reason at all but to spend it in an election splurge. In fact, Chretien committed most of the surplus for years to come in his last budget, even making it almost impossible to claw back the money or cancel the promised programs. This was aimed at Martin, of course, leaving him little money to offer promises if he wanted to balance the budget. Martin, nevertheless, offered billions in spending promises when he ran for election, and would have taken us immediately into deficit had he won. If that's all you can find, buddy you ain't looking. Need I say again the "contempt" finding just for starters? Check out how he got there. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 31, 2014 Report Posted August 31, 2014 No it doesn't fall into place, stupid is as stupid does. Getting rid of dumb laws and policies is smart, keeping them is dumb. How is it working for the americans after they elected an inexperienced guy president based on one wedge issue - that he still couldn't swing. There's a lot more to governing than legalizing pot. Do people really still go to jail over weed? I don't know anybody and i know a lot of smokers. And yes, If economy is good - everything is good, if economy is bad, everything suffers - and all the promises and tax increases don't work. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
eyeball Posted August 31, 2014 Report Posted August 31, 2014 How is it working for the americans after they elected an inexperienced guy president based on one wedge issue - that he still couldn't swing. Please don't chum the trolls. There's a lot more to governing than legalizing pot. Do people really still go to jail over weed? I don't know anybody and i know a lot of smokers. And yes, If economy is good - everything is good, if economy is bad, everything suffers - and all the promises and tax increases don't work. It takes even more to maintain a consistent stupid streak though. I mean c'mon, the capacity to maintain a dumb policy does not speak well to the wisdom of the person or party ardently supporting said stupidity. People's lives are being cocked up for no damn good reason due to these stupid laws, you don't have to go to jail to suffer real hardship under the grinding weight of a government bureaucracy that's implementing a hard-edged mean-spirited prescription for law and order. Why should anyone believe that stupidity won't carry over into other ares of responsibility, like the environment, economy or even military procurement? Stupid is as stupid does - you are what you do. But what the hey, if people think defending more of that is smart, who am I to argue? As far as I'm concerned throwing out a stupid law simply because its stupid is a real departure from the norm in this often really dumb country. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCoastRunner Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Posted August 31, 2014 "JT's a lightweight - Hair today, Gone tomorrow!" There was very good!! But speaking JT's lightweight, value policies, this is nothing new in the run up to an election and everybody on this forum knows it! Opposition parties always tread carefully when laying out their platform. Consultants advise all politicians to consider the risks of having voters not know what you stand against having your policy stolen. This is precisely what JT is doing. And let's not forget that JT is not the official opposition so he has more flexibility in not responding to much of Harper's actions. Political communications consultant Marcel Wieder: "First, if you are behind, get your policy out there if your leader is unknown and untried," said Wieder, noting that former Ontario premier Mike Harris and the federal Liberals under Jean Chrétien took this approach. "Others prefer to release the platform close to the election to deprive their opponents the opportunity to train their guns on the perceived flaws that they will try and exploit. "In this case there is sound reasoning for Trudeau to hold off since Conservatives have significantly greater resources that they can use, as has been demonstrated with [former Liberal leaders Stéphane] Dion and [Michael] Ignatieff. The inability of Dion to properly explain his carbon tax doomed his chances early on and Ignatieff's inability to articulate the platform after being pilloried for 'just visiting' are examples of why Trudeau still remains cautious." In other words, don't expect to see a detailed 'Liberal government' road map anytime soon. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
overthere Posted August 31, 2014 Report Posted August 31, 2014 In other words, don't expect to see a detailed 'Liberal government' road map anytime soon. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
WestCoastRunner Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Posted August 31, 2014 That is correct. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Posted August 31, 2014 In other words, don't expect to see a detailed 'Liberal government' road map anytime soon. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Posted August 31, 2014 We will see his platform soon enough. I just noticed your crossed out words Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted September 1, 2014 Report Posted September 1, 2014 We will see his platform soon enough. I just noticed your crossed out words Sure we will. JT is just taking a page out of Liberal history. Why wouldn't he let Harper continue to shoot himself in the foot. It worked quite well for Chretien back in the day. Quote
PIK Posted September 2, 2014 Report Posted September 2, 2014 I have a conservative philosophy of life. You hope for the best, but plan for the worst. Within reason. If there is a possibility of something bad happening, then I consider what actions I can take which will forestall this bad thing, or at least, ameliorate the worst effects. The power might go out. Okay. I have candles, batters, flashlights and lanterns. Pretty simple precaution. There could be some sort of emergency which disrupts food and water. Okay. I have some weeks of food and water stored downstairs. Pretty simple precaution. Something bad might happen to my house, so I have insurance. Pretty simple precaution. A nasty, drug-fulled guy could come into my house wanting to cause damage or steal things or harm us. Okay, I lock the door. Pretty simple precaution. Note that I don't EXPECT the bad thing to happen. But the precaution taken is fairly easy and inexpensive, and doesn't have any downside, so why wouldn't I take those precautions? Well, if I was an earnest, naive person with no imagination, and dumb enough to believe nothing bad will ever happen to me, then I suppose I wouldn't bother. Depends on where you live. But I don't live in fear because of what could happen. The only thing worth stealing is my guns and there are locked up tighter then a drum. Triple locked steel case anchored to the floors and the wall. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
jbg Posted September 2, 2014 Report Posted September 2, 2014 How many Canadians actually do jail time for using marijuana, or possessing it in recreational quantities? I have a hunch that the number is actually miniscule, despite what pro-legalization activists might want you to think.I favor legalization for the simple reason that it's better to receive tax revenues from their sale then spend revenues on a quixotic fight. I'm not sure I'd base my vote for a PM or President on this issue. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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